At 12:41 PM 9/24/2009, Dave CROCKER wrote:
Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Dave,
By the time everthing is said about this I suspect the "chilling
effects" will be minimized. There will probably still be people
not wanting to go "on principle," but I at least hope that the
number will not be so great as to impact the success of the meeting.
And here I was thinking it was already /increased/, not reduced.
For example, I've enjoyed the meetings I've had in China -- and the
anti-spam topic ran directly into potential sensitivities, of the
sort discussed here, and with no problems.
But this contract clause and ensuing discussion now have me fully
expecting serious problems I wouldn't otherwise have thought much about...
so -- here's another (compound) question to ask in this vein
*IF* somehow the meeting gets shut down (for whatever reason), does
that mean we IETF participants are to leave the country immediately,
or can we remain in the country -- conceivably at the same hotel --
conceivably at the same hotel that shut the meeting down -- or do we
have to then immediately find new accommodations?
This would impact everyone of us attending, even if the incident that
caused the meeting to shut down was a single individual not near
where the rest of us were at that time.
I know this is extreme, but Alissa's quoted paragraph (from Ole's)
doesn't make that unlikely, it states that this is a probability (if
the meeting were to be shut down). In other words, it seems that
"any offense" can cause this action, even if most of us aren't
involved. I don't like that uncertainty (that if I keep my nose
clean, I can still be in a pickle because of some other (single?) offender).
I personally don't know why the "contract" can't be rewritten to say
something like
"If an individual is offending China, that individual is kicked out
of the country (or goes to jail).
If a group offends China, that group is kicked out of the country
(or goes to jail).
If the offense occurs during a plenary (the only time we are all
together really), then the whole meeting is shut down, we are
all going to jail or kicked out of the country."
This would be more concrete for me, and something I could evaluate
the risks of.
James
d/
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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