On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 07:19:15PM +0300, Jari Arkko wrote: > But more generally, there are no absolutely safe options, not in China > and not elsewhere. I pretty much agree wit Marshall's analysis on the > motives of the various parties in this particular case, and I'd have no > problem with going over there with the IETF. Granted, no place is absolutely safe. But it does seem like China is more un-safe that other potential venues with respect to free speech, if we are to take Chinese National Law at their word (and the argument, "don't worry, Selective Prosecution is the order of the day in China, and they won't bother us", isn't terribly comforting). And as others have already pointed out, discussions about how our protocols are used, and issues around privacy *are* regularly discussed in IETF mailing lists and meetings. It's not just about bits and bytes. The attitude, "Once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down? It's not my department says Wernher von Brown", while it does exist in the IETF, certainly isn't the only, and perhaps not even the majority, position. - Ted _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf