Hi, > Okay, so one advantage of having a meeting in the PRC is that the > majority of participants (including US and Canadian ones) who can > normally travel almost anywhere without VISAs will have to experience > some of the pain of getting a VISA. You may have meant this in a sarcastic way, but it very literally *is* an advantage: it may cure some of the U.S. IETF participants who usually hand-wave away the visa issue of non-U.S. participants in a U.S. venue as "can't be that bad, stop whining". It is always good to see "the other side". Makes for a better discussion ground. (Disclaimer: I was not one of the people needing a visa. But I can have empathy for other beings.) Greetings, Stefan Winter _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf