At 4:21 PM -0700 9/8/09, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >Alissa, > >It's not totally clear because it is an EXPERIMENT and typically one >does not develop a bunch of policies for how a particular technology >might be used once it's "up and running" --- if we were to adopt it >prior to actually running the experiment. Hi Ole, I think you are still missing Alissa's point. She's asking for a privacy policy to be in place that describes how the IETF uses the data it collects. *How* it collects the data is secondary to that statement. The experiment seems to me to be about a how, not about a "what it does". She's also been pretty clear that it could say something like "the IETF collects data for experimental understanding of folks' willingness to wave badges at boxes" and satisfy her. Less flippantly, she's saying that getting a stated policy is job one. What is says and how it is updated are, to some degree secondary (because having a stated policy allows folks to judge whether or not to share the data by, for example, participating in the experiment). regards, Ted >There is clearly, today, >no legal requirement that we retain the data from the experiment as >a substitute for bluesheets since we are not replacing the bluesheets >by RFID technology --- even if we are experimenting with how that >would work. (Obviously, the secretariat will need to securely retain >or destroy the data once the experiment is over, I don't see that as >being any different from all the other information which is collected >as a result of running an IETF meeting). > >I agree that more details about the experiment need to be provided, >and they will be, it is still being worked out. And, you can opt out. > >In the meantime, please see: > >http://www.inet.info.hiroshima-cu.ac.jp/ietf76-exp/index.html#bluesheet > > >On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Alissa Cooper wrote: > >> It is unclear to me whether the data retention policy applies to the RFID >> data. Perhaps it counts as "Blue Sheets," in which case the data is retained >> permanently, but that is not immediately obvious from reading the policy. The >> note on the supplemental RFID page makes it sound as though the RFID data >> might not ultimately be stored electronically, but it's not totally clear. >> >> Alissa >> > >Ole > > >Ole J. Jacobsen >Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal >Cisco Systems >Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 >E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > > >_______________________________________________ >Ietf mailing list >Ietf@xxxxxxxx >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf