Hi, We are running multiple experiments. One is automated registration. One is RFID. Another is charging for subsets of attendance. Maybe we should have an RFID reader/recorder at the door to each session, and to send bills to people based on what they actually attend (plus a base fee). Attendees could get their RFID badge, attend whatever they want during the week, we record their attendance using RFID, and then bill them afterwards for the sessions they actually attended. This approach might also cut down on people using sessions to just read email and power their computers; the terminal room might become more popular. I suggest the automated registration allow people to specify the sessions they are interested in when they register, which would help scheduling match rooms to expected attendees, and help avoid timing conflicts. The registration process should identify ADs and chairs and editors, whose conflicts are more important than regular attendees. When chairs decide what presentations will be given, maybe they could update the registration to identify presenters, so that could also be used for conflict resolution. These could of course be features in v2.0. Can we RFID-tag the cookies so we can charge according to how many one eats? ;-) dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Ole Jacobsen > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:03 PM > To: Ross Finlayson > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: One Day Guest Pass > > > Ross, > > It's an experiment, as Alexa stated. > > Experience from RIPE tend to suggest that the OVERALL attendance goes > up as a result of the availability of day passes. We don't > yet know if > this applies to the IETF. Yes, we want to encourage people to > stay for > the whole week for all the reasons you cite, but the economic- and > time-related reality tells us that this isn't always > possible. As John > Klensin pointed out, this leaves us with three options: > > * Make day-passes available > > * Let people "sneak in" > > * Accept that some people will not attend who would attend if we gave > them the one-day option. > > It is quite possible that a one-day pass option would cause people to > pay for one day and stay for the whole week, particularly since we're > not known for having armed guards and badge checkers, but I don't get > the sense that there are many people in this community who would want > to cheat in that way. The cookies etc do have a cost associated with > them after all, and I think this is generally understood. But the > experiment will hopefully tell us this as well. > > So, we're aiming to find out if this is indeed a good idea. There are > some "local reasons" to try this in Japan where bosses typically don't > allow their staff to stay away from the office for more than a day for > events like this (unless they are "fully onboard" with what the IETF > is or does). You might consider such one-day visitors as "IETF > tourists", but it might very well help us gain new attendees in the > long run. Again, the experiment could tell us that too. > > Ole > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > > > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Ross Finlayson wrote: > > > I'm not convinced that this new "One Day Guest Pass" is > even a good idea at > > all. Do we no longer want to encourage participants to be > familiar with > > activities beyond their primary working group? Do we not > want to encourage > > participants to attend the plenaries (to help familiarize > them with the IETF > > process), in addition to their primary working group meeting? > > > > If the Secretariat feels that attendance is suffering > because of the price of > > the full meeting registration fee, then perhaps a better > solution is to drop > > the price of that fee. > > > > Ross. > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf mailing list > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf