I just do my drafts in nroff and edit with emacs. Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Stefan Santesson<stefan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > To respond to the original question. > > For what it is worth, I have written a simple and free tool in java for > editing (and viewing) drafts using nroff, which I find a lot easier and > convenient than XML. > > It's available from: http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/index.html > > Source is available upon request. > > /Stefan > > > On 09-06-28 6:33 PM, "Iljitsch van Beijnum" <iljitsch@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> XML2RFC isn't working for me. >> >> For instance, We are now required to use boilerplate that the >> "official" version of XML2RFC doesn't recognize so it's necessary to >> use a beta version that is even more undocumented than the regular >> undocumentedness of the "official" version of XML2RFC. Of course such >> things tend to only surface the day of the cutoff. >> >> I used to write drafts by hand sometimes in the past, but this is also >> very hard, because today's tools just don't have any notion of hard >> line endings, let alone with spaces at the beginning of all lines and >> hard page breaks (at places that make no sense in an A4 world, too). >> >> This is getting worse because the checks done on IDs upon submission >> are getting stricter and stricter. >> >> See >> http://www.educatedguesswork.org/movabletype/archives/2007/11/curse_you_xml2r. >> html >> for a long story that I mostly agree with. >> >> As such, I want to see the following: >> >> - the latest boilerplate is published in an easy to copy&paste format >> - drafts may omit page breaks >> - drafts may omit indentation and hard line breaks >> - no requirements for reference formats >> >> Note that this is for drafts in general. If the RFC editor wishes to >> impose stricter formatting rules I can live with that. >> >> Please don't reply with helpful hints on how to work with XML2RFC. >> Even with a perfect XML2RFC I would still be forced to create XML, >> which is something I desperately long to avoid. >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf