Re: LC summary for draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management

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Tom Petch


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SM" <sm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "David Harrington" <ietfdbh@xxxxxxxxxxx>; "IETF Discussion" <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@xxxxxxxxx>; <opsawg@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: LC summary for draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management


> Hi David,
> At 13:51 23-06-2009, David Harrington wrote:
> >3) Bernard Aboba concerned that IETF should focus on making successful
> >protocols, and Management Considerations may be an unnecessary
> >requirement.
> >[dbh: this document went to great lengths to say that it was NOT
> >prescribing a Management Considerations requirement. sigh]
> 
> The problem is not about what your document is not prescribing.  It 
> is about how it may be used.  In Section 1:
> 
>    "This document provides guidelines to help protocol designers and
>     working groups consider the operations and management functionality
>     for their new IETF protocol or protocol extension at an earlier phase."
> 
> In an Informational document, guidelines provide guidance.  In a BCP 
> document, it can be read as "the IETF community agrees to adopt these 
> guidelines".  In Section 1.2:
> 
>    "This document does not impose a solution, or imply that a formal data
>     model is needed, or imply that using a specific management protocol
>     is mandatory."
> 
> The catch is in the following sentence:
> 
>    "Any decision to make a Management Considerations section a mandatory
>     publication requirement for IETF documents is the responsibility of
>     the IESG, or specific area directors, or working groups, and this
>     document avoids recommending any mandatory publication requirements."
> 
> The IESG could come up with such a requirement for the IETF Stream if 
> this document is published as a BCP.
> 
> In Section 1.3:
> 
>    "The IESG policy to require working groups to write a MIB module to
>     provide manageability for new protocols is being replaced by a policy
>     that is more open to using a variety of management protocols and data
>     models designed to achieve different goals."
> 
> The insistence on BCP could be seen as a way to set the stage for that.
> 
> At 13:40 24-06-2009, Eric Rosen wrote:
> >Since assigning responsibilities to the IESG is presumably out of scope of
> >this document, why not shorten this sentence to:
> >
> >         "This document avoids recommending any mandatory publication
> >         requirements"
> 
> I suggest a slight change to the proposed sentence:
> 
>    This document does not recommend any mandatory publication requirements
> 
> I also suggest publishing the document as Informational.
> 
> Regards,
> -sm 
> 
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