I think that the conclusion in s.4, that this is the solution to problems of cooperation, will turn out to be rather rose-tinted in years to come. It reminds me of a Professor of Engineering in my student days, who one year, told us how successful his redesign of a road junction was, relieving congestion all round to the benefit of all. A year later, I heard him again, and this time he concluded that after spending vast sums of money, all he had achieved was to lift the traffic jam 25 feet into the air. I track the mpls-tp list and see two very different styles, of process, of commenting, of consensus (know any other IETF lists where 10 successive posts were each about one Megabyte in size?) which tells me that the differences between ITU-T and IETF have just been moved to another forum. The MEAD team and JWT, and the changes to IETF process, as described in draft-andersson-mpls-tp-process, may be a step forward, but there is still a long way to go before there is a mutually agreeable set of standards which must be the acid test of cooperation. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "IAB Chair" <iab-chair@xxxxxxxx> To: "IETF Announcement list" <ietf-announce@xxxxxxxx> Cc: <mmorrow@xxxxxxxxx>; <iab@xxxxxxx>; <stbryant@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Call for Comments: "Uncoordinated Protocol Development Considered Harmful" > > The IAB intends to publish the following document and invites any > comments you might have: > > "Uncoordinated Protocol Development Considered Harmful" > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-mpls-tp-uncoord-harmful-00 > > Abstract > > This document identifies various types of damage that may occur > without formal coordination and joint development on protocols of > mutual interest between standards development organizations. The IAB > has selected T-MPLS as recent case study to describe hazard to both > the MPLS and Internet architecture as a result of uncoordinated > adaptation of a protocol. > > > This experience has resulted in a considerable improvement in the > relationship between the two organisations. In particular, this was > achieved via the establishment of the "Joint working team on MPLS-TP" > which was the first ever joint ITU/IETF group. In addition, the > leadership of the two organisations have agreed to improve inter- > organizational working practices so as to avoid conflict in future > between ITU-T Recommendations and IETF RFCs. > > > > Please provide your feedback before June 28, 2009. > > For the IAB, > > --Olaf Kolkman > IAB Chair > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf