It took me three flights and about 35 or so hours of travel to get to
the Adelaide meeting, but that didn't keep me away. Grow up, people -
it's one trip out of your life! Go with the flow and enjoy it ....
Cheers,
Andy
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum
<iljitsch@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 25 mei 2009, at 1:15, Fred Baker wrote:
>
>> SBA-LAX-AMS-Den Hague, the last hop in both cases being by train instead
>> of an airplane.
>
> ("'s-Gravenhage", "Den Haag", "The Hague", "La Haye", "La Haya" but not "Den
> Hague".)
>
> Yes, but that's a 30 minute train ride (to Amsterdam is 15 from the
> airport), running every 15 minutes (every hour after midnight) and close
> enough to take a taxi if you are so inclined. However:
>
> On 25 mei 2009, at 8:29, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
>
>> I'm not quite sure how a 1:50 or 2:30 hour train ride translates
>> to 4 hours of extra travel time.
>
> Easy: on the way back you need to build in extra time so if there is a
> problem with the train you don't miss your flight. Don't forget that unlike
> the major cities in the Netherlands Maastricht has a "single homed"
> connection to the Dutch rail network and I wouldn't want to take a 200 km
> taxi ride.
>
> So suppose you're flying from SFO with Northwest, leaving on friday. Land at
> 10:30 on saturday. (Results based on doing all of this the same week this
> year.) I don't think you'll make the 11:00 train, so it would have to be the
> 11:30 or 12:00 one, which gets you to the Maastricht train station at 14:04
> or 14:34 with 6 minutes to change trains in Utrecht. So far so good.
>
> However, on the way back your flight leaves at 11:10 which means you need to
> be at the airport at 9:00 or so. The first train in the morning leaves at
> 6:26 and is at Schiphol at 8:59 but that leaves almost no room for error.
> Dutch trains run on time 80% or so of the time and you need two, so 64%
> chance they're both on time...
>
> Maastricht is certainly not the worst IETF location ever, but sticking to
> one of the four main cities in the Netherlands would have been a whole lot
> better. Someone made the argument that the venues there are popular so you
> need to book long in advance. Don't we now have the dates set for the next
> five years??
>
> And as I said before, I would be very interested to learn whether doing this
> in june rather than july would have made a different location in the
> Netherlands a more viable option.
>
>> Anyway, during those hours, you
>> will be sitting on a chair as comfortable as in most planes. I'd
>> think that most of us do what IETF'ers typically do: open their laptop
>> and start working.
>
> The non-double decker intercity trains are pretty nice and if you use first
> class then it's roomy and quiet. As long as you travel outside peak hours
> you should at least be able to sit in second class but lots of people
> talking and making phone calls.
>
> In case you get stuck at Schiphol or a train station (or if you can log into
> your mail within 2 minutes during stops):
>
> http://www.nshispeed.nl/en/services-ns-business-card-international/kpn-hotspots
>
> On 25 mei 2009, at 8:59, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>
>> It is 3 changes from FRA, on one of the routes, but no changes from AMS or
>> BRU.
>
> Last time I checked planes don't land at the central station in Amsterdam or
> Brussels...
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