Mike, Why is it harder, i.e., "more problematic" to fly to Amsterdam (assume for the sake of the argument that this is one hop) and then take ONE train to Maastrich from the airport train station, compared to me flying SFO-ORD wait an hour and then fly ORD-MSP? The "3 changes" was assuming you flew to FRANKFURT which is what *I* said *I* might do because *I* have a non-stop flight all the way from SFO to FRA and a favorite airport hotel there. This has nothing to do with what the average attendee will or should do. The train from Amsterdam airport to Maastricht is a single journey. For the record, Yokohama is at least 90 minutes from Narita (the official Narita Express time to Tokyo is 60 minutes). Average travel time might approach 120 minutes, which compares to the Dusseldorf to Maastricht time mentioned by someone else. It seems to me that the moment someone said "train" this whole discussion descended into "problematic" when in reality train travel is far more convenient, inexpensive etc when you're not in the US. I've been told I can fly non-stop to Minneapolis, to which I replied "not on our preferred carrier". Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Mon, 25 May 2009, Michael StJohns wrote: > At 04:44 PM 5/24/2009, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > >I would > >hardly characterize a 3-4 hour train journey as "problematic" if you > >consider what other venues the IETF historically has used. > > Hi Ole - > > That's a 3-4 hour train journey with 3 changes (and a cab ride at > the end? not sure where the venue is relative to the train > station). > > Having been to all of the IETF venues except Stockholm, I'm unclear > to which venues you might be referring. Could you clarify? As far > as I can recall, the Yokohama trip was the only one any great > distance from an airport and the train pretty much went straight > there (e.g. no "3 changes") in an hour or so with trains every 30 > minutes or so. There was a reasonable length cab ride at the end. > London had a train as well, but shorter and a short walk at the end. > > I literally can't think of a single venue we've been at that is > anywhere near this far from a national/international class airport. > I also can't think of any venue where the last hop from the airport > required more than one change - and that was the Yokohama train/taxi > switch. > > So which ones and why did you consider them problematic? > > Mike > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf