Hi. I just attended the IPR ("Pre-5398 Problem") BOF and want to share an impression and suggestion. While one could debate details of text and procedures endlessly, reopen old battles, etc., there is really only one issue at this point, and that issue is whether the community wants to * try to accelerate the transition toward 5378 by obligating authors to make a serious attempt to get signoff from previous contributors or * treat documents that contain pre-5398 material as provided for in the workaround, i.e., authors obtain all of the rights if they are willing to do that but otherwise just insert the workaround text and move on. >From reading the correspondence on the list, I believe that the community prefers the latter although the former has some strong advocates. I'd like to see if we can focus on those questions to see if a conclusion can be reached about the principle before more Internet-Drafts are written. I note that, if the community's preference is really the second choice, then we are finished. The Trustees would presumably follow the general rough consensus on this list, interpret the existing workaround as permanent, and we would all move on. IMO, "finished" would be a big win -- no more I-Ds on the subject, no need for a new or renewed WG, no more cycles of people with better ways to spend their IETF time going into these efforts, etc. Of course, YMMD. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf