On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:11:14AM -0800, Paul Hoffman wrote: > You are missing John's point, which you elided below the quote > above. If someone is a jerk and irrationally aggrieved, nothing we > say in a boilerplate will prevent them from suing the IETF and > incurring great costs in time and money. This brings us back to what seems to me to be the central problem, which is that the new rules require the _contributor_ to make a bunch of assertions to the IETF about permissions the contributor has obtained. Wha the work-around appears to me to provide is a way for contributors to say, "But maybe I don't have them all." From my point of view, that's less good than releasing the contributor from needing to make such claims in the first place, but it's an improvement. In other words, the point is not so much to avoid causing suits against the IETF, which (as an SDO) always has the risk of some jerk coming along. What's unusual in this case is that every contributor, by virtue of having to assert that he or she has obtained the relevant permssions, is _also_ subject to those lawsuits. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxx Shinkuro, Inc. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf