You can find document statistics here which detail where the authors of our life and blood come from: http://www.arkko.com/tools/docstats Take a look at the one for authors of current drafts here: http://www.arkko.com/tools/stats/d-countryeudistr.html Could not find the meeting participation statistics, although I am sure they are lurking somewhere. regards Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: 73attendees-bounces@xxxxxxxx > [mailto:73attendees-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Livingood, Jason > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:56 PM > To: Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo); ext Joel Jaeggli; Yi Zhao > Cc: 73attendees@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is > USAqualifiedfor2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria? > > I recall stats from IETF 71 (which may be out of date). I > believe at that time, 48% of attendees were from the U.S. > Next was Japan with 9%, then China with 5.7%. If I recall > correctly, this was a good number of attendees from China, > but I do not know how that compared to IETF 72 or to IETF 73. > Is the visa issue for visitors from all countries coming to > the U.S., or is this specific to Chinese citizens coming to the U.S. > > Jason > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] > On Behalf > > Of Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:28 PM > > To: ext Joel Jaeggli; Yi Zhao > > Cc: 'David Quigley'; 73attendees@xxxxxxxx; 'Nicholas Weaver'; > > ietf@xxxxxxxx > > Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA > > qualifiedfor2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria? > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > In the IAOC, we have followed the visa situation for > different nations > > closely. It is obviously in the benefit for the IETF to > have all the > > participants that want and need to come to the IETF could also come. > > > > Historically, the IETF community has indicated the preference of > > having a big part of the meetings in the North American > region. This > > makes us often come to the USA. Traditionally a major part of the > > participation is from the North American region. > > > > Of course, we should periodically check this policy, and > also follow > > the visa situation very carefully. > > > > I think it would be good for people that were trying to come to the > > IETF and couldn't to tell the IAD or me what happened. > > Accurate data is very important. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jonne. > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/08 10:08 PM, "ext Joel Jaeggli" <joelja@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > Yi Zhao wrote: > > >> Based on my knowledge, for Chinese citizens there is no > > any problem > > >> to get the visa to other countries except US. > > > > > > I know for a fact that several of your countrymen have > had trouble > > > obtaining visas for other recent IETF destinations. > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> --- > > >> > > >> *From:* 73attendees-bounces@xxxxxxxx > > >> [mailto:73attendees-bounces@xxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of > *David Quigley > > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:56 PM > > >> *To:* Nicholas Weaver > > >> *Cc:* 73attendees@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx > > >> *Subject:* Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified > > >> for2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Disclaimer: What I say here are my words and don't represent the > > >> views of my employer. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> From what I see here the issues are mostly experienced > by Chinese > > >> citizens. Most of the other countries have reciprocal visa > > agreements > > >> with the US. China however doesn't have that agreement > > with Ireland, > > >> Sweden, Japan, or the US. Were there similar problems > with gaining > > >> entrance into Ireland? Will there be similar issues with gaining > > >> entrance into Sweden or Japan? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Dave > > >> > > >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Weaver > > >> <nweaver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > <mailto:nweaver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote: > > >> > > >> Excerpts from Randy Bush on Tue, Nov 18, 2008 > 10:39:57AM -0600: > > >> > > >> qdang@xxxxxxxx <mailto:qdang@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >> > > >> I believe our US government would like to grant visas > > to as many > > >> people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend > > a meeting in > > >> the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can > > imagine there will > > >> be 100 million visa applications for the IETF meeting > > in CA next year > > >> alone. > > >> > > >> > > >> thank you for demonstrating so clearly the jingoistic > > prejudice at the > > >> us government level that should preclude ietf being > > held in the united > > >> states. > > >> > > >> > > >> How would you solve the problem? Let 100 million > > people in on false > > >> pretenses? I'm not going to defend the behavior of > > the US government, > > >> but I want you to admit that US immigration has a > > difficult problem. > > >> Slinging labels around doesn't help. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Remember, the IETF is NOT special. There are tens of > thousands of > > >> conferences, and they are all pretty much > > need-to-be-treated equal. > > >> If the US gave effectively carte blanch to conference > > attendees, you > > >> would have no immigration controls, period, as this > would be a big > > >> enough loophole to fly an A380 through. > > >> > > >> The Visa issue in the US is serious, but how many people > > are really > > >> affected by this? > > >> > > >> We need hard data, because the notion of simply "not > holding IETF > > >> meetings in a terrorist country" is not effective. > > >> > > >> And if you want to do Visa issues as a criteria, you can > strongly > > >> argue that all IETF meeting SHOULD be in a country where > a visa is > > >> not required for travel for EU, US, Japanese, and Canadian > > citizens. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> 73attendees mailing list > > >> 73attendees@xxxxxxxx <mailto:73attendees@xxxxxxxx> > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/73attendees > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> --- > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> 73attendees mailing list > > >> 73attendees@xxxxxxxx > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/73attendees > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ietf mailing list > > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > -- > > Jonne Soininen > > Nokia Siemens Networks > > > > Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 > > E-mail: jonne.soininen@xxxxxxx > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf mailing list > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > _______________________________________________ > 73attendees mailing list > 73attendees@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/73attendees > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf