Yi Zhao wrote: > Based on my knowledge, for Chinese citizens there is no any problem to > get the visa to other countries except US. I know for a fact that several of your countrymen have had trouble obtaining visas for other recent IETF destinations. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* 73attendees-bounces@xxxxxxxx > [mailto:73attendees-bounces@xxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *David Quigley > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:56 PM > *To:* Nicholas Weaver > *Cc:* 73attendees@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified > for2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria? > > > > Disclaimer: What I say here are my words and don't represent the views > of my employer. > > > > From what I see here the issues are mostly experienced by Chinese > citizens. Most of the other countries have reciprocal visa agreements > with the US. China however doesn't have that agreement with Ireland, > Sweden, Japan, or the US. Were there similar problems with gaining > entrance into Ireland? Will there be similar issues with gaining > entrance into Sweden or Japan? > > > > Dave > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Weaver > <nweaver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:nweaver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > > On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote: > > Excerpts from Randy Bush on Tue, Nov 18, 2008 10:39:57AM -0600: > > qdang@xxxxxxxx <mailto:qdang@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I believe our US government would like to grant visas to as many > people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend a meeting in > the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can imagine there will > be 100 million visa applications for the IETF meeting in CA next year > alone. > > > thank you for demonstrating so clearly the jingoistic prejudice at the > us government level that should preclude ietf being held in the united > states. > > > How would you solve the problem? Let 100 million people in on false > pretenses? I'm not going to defend the behavior of the US government, > but I want you to admit that US immigration has a difficult problem. > Slinging labels around doesn't help. > > > > Remember, the IETF is NOT special. There are tens of thousands of > conferences, and they are all pretty much need-to-be-treated equal. If > the US gave effectively carte blanch to conference attendees, you would > have no immigration controls, period, as this would be a big enough > loophole to fly an A380 through. > > The Visa issue in the US is serious, but how many people are really > affected by this? > > We need hard data, because the notion of simply "not holding IETF > meetings in a terrorist country" is not effective. > > And if you want to do Visa issues as a criteria, you can strongly argue > that all IETF meeting SHOULD be in a country where a visa is not > required for travel for EU, US, Japanese, and Canadian citizens. > > > > _______________________________________________ > 73attendees mailing list > 73attendees@xxxxxxxx <mailto:73attendees@xxxxxxxx> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/73attendees > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > 73attendees mailing list > 73attendees@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/73attendees _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf