David mentioned: #For the record: # #It seems that arbornetworks estimates are extremely low to the point #where one has to ask whether there were other issues that caused such #a low estimate. # #There is no question that IPv6 traffic is quite low in the Internet. #However, many other reports that I have seen recently measure multiple #orders of magnitude more IPv6 traffic (for an easily accesible example #see: http://www.ams-ix.net/technical/stats/sflow/) The Ether Type graph on the AMS-IX page indicates that IPv6 is on average 1/10th of 1% all the traffic they measure, and looking at the associated RRDtool graphs, that works out to be ~800Mbits/second. A sustained ~800 Mbits/second is certainly nothing to sneeze at, and everyone who has worked hard to encourage IPv6 deployment deserves many kudos. Progress is happening! On the other hand, just to put this in context and to pick on an application I'm somewhat familiar with, a single full-ish Usenet news feed is now in excess of 3TByte/day (see the daily volume stats quoted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet ). Just two or three full-ish Usenet News feeds over IPv6, if done across AMS-IX, would account for most of that 800Mbps traffic load (assuming that Usenet is what was making up most of that traffic, an assertion that I'm explictly NOT making). My point? It is possible that the IP transport choices of just a few cooperating server administrators might (at least hypothetically) account for virtually all the observed growth in AMS-IX IPv6 traffic. As to why the AMS-IX number might differ from Arbor's statistic, we know that traffic at exchange points may have a dramatically different composition than traffic measured elsewhere, due in part to the economics of that environment. E.g., continuing to pick on poor old Usenet, people may be willing to exchange Usenet feeds across a settlement-free peering point while they might NOT be willing to exchange Usenet feeds that required (comparatively expensive) transit bandwidth. Those sort of economic choices mean that it is risky to extrapolate Internet-wide traffic statistics from the somewhat atypical settlement-free peering environment. But what sort of growth pattern do we actually see at http://www.ams-ix.net/technical/stats/sflow/ ? That graph *isn't* growing in the characteristic "stair step" pattern one might expect if you were to suddenly flopping full news feeds over onto IPv6. The growth we see there is much more consistent with what you might find from growth in end user traffic (which could be dominated by web, or P2P, or flash videos or scientists ftp'ing large data sets, or yes, even email, who knows, since there's no way to definitively know w/o doing deep packet inspection, which I doubt would be possible in this case). So to bring this post to a close, I continue to believe that IPv6 traffic, at least IPv6 email traffic, remains very, very low, to the point where, as I've previous mentioned, it just hasn't justified DNS block list operator attention in any material way (love to hear about any counter examples, BTW). Regards, Joe St Sauver (joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) http://www.uoregon.edu/~joe/ Disclaimer: all opinions strictly my own. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf