Re: draft-crocker-rfc-media-00.txt (was: Re: Publishing RFCs in PDF Formal)

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John, et al,


John C Klensin wrote:
I've been waiting to respond to your draft until there was more
discussion on the list but, apparently, either the draft or
other circumstances killed that discussion.

I, too, waited to comment on it and see what the reception was. However I produced the usual set of html/pdf formats and rfcdiff versions that I'm producing these days. This set is at:

   <http://bbiw.net/recent.html#rfcmedia>

and have no idea why I didn't post the information, and do apologize for failing to distribute the link.

Given that there had been some diligent group conversation which prompted my draft, it was a bit of a surprise to see the topic simply dropped. In fact my draft was prompted by suggestions by others to expand the scope of your draft a bit.


I found the posting of this draft very disappointing.  I believe
we make progress in the IETF (and elsewhere) by building
explicitly on each other's work and by open discussion of
changes.

Well, I have the same model of making progress.

So the disparity, in this case, is with the tactics I chose for seeking incremental change, rather than in my seeking to promote a "competing" drafts.

My draft is -- and states in the Abstract and the Introduction that it is -- a direct mutation of yours, with as few changes as I could get away with.

While yes, my document is separate from yours, I intended it as a basis for discussion, rather than intending to press for "my" draft to "replace" yours. (FWIW, I also intentionally crippled mine by leaving out required portions.)

One view is that any time someone posts a suggestion for change, they have created "competition" about what will finally be published. We don't tend to think of it that way, but it really what any normal revision process entails.

While I do understand the tendency to think that putting forward an entire draft automatically makes it "competing", this was intended as a vehicle for prompting discussion about an integrated set of changes, to alter the document's scope and tone. The usual form of disjoint suggested changes fails to communicate an integrated reading of the results. For changes in direction or scope, this can be problematic. (And, besides, I think rfcdiff does quite a good job of highlighting the pieces of change; again I apologize for failing to send a point to it.)


But your draft doesn't do that: not only is the original model
(in draft-rfc-image-files-00.txt) preserved, but you used almost

Actually, the model is changed significantly. That it could be accomplished with relatively few changes was serendipitous.

Few, but not small. The entire "Goals" section, for example, changes things quite a bit.


	(1) You have added a few goals.  Had you chosen to raise

Eleven.  Eleven goals.


	
	(2) You have eliminated some, perhaps all, of the
	details.  Without those details, the proposal is reduced

My reading is that I added details.


Finally and FWIW, by stripping the acknowledgments from the
original document and not indicating the source for the text you
used, it appears that you have violated the IPR requirements for
I-D postings.


Abstract:

     "This proposal is based on
   draft-rfc-image-files-00, by Braden and Klensin, and revises it as
   little as possible, while expanding the goals of the effort."


Introduction:

     "   This proposal is based on draft-rfc-image-files-00, by Braden and
   Klensin, and revises it as little as possible.  As an expedient, the
   References section has been omitted from this initial version of the
   draft."


By the way, have I apologized for failing to post the diffs?

d/

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  Dave Crocker
  Brandenburg InternetWorking
  bbiw.net
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