Dave, I've been waiting to respond to your draft until there was more discussion on the list but, apparently, either the draft or other circumstances killed that discussion. During that time, I've been deliberating whether to send a private note to you or to post this to the list. Given that your considerable experience and length of service to the IETF suggests that others might follow your behavior as a model, I've reluctantly concluded that the latter is appropriate. I found the posting of this draft very disappointing. I believe we make progress in the IETF (and elsewhere) by building explicitly on each other's work and by open discussion of changes. Introduction of competing drafts is worthwhile when those drafts really represent different strategies and models. But your draft doesn't do that: not only is the original model (in draft-rfc-image-files-00.txt) preserved, but you used almost all of the text of that document. At best, that does not encourage cumulation -- it just creates confusion about which of two very similar documents one should be discussing. I believe that there are only two substantive differences between your draft-crocker posting and the original (your document would have been much more constructive, IMO, had you made those differences, and the reasons for them, clear, but see below). (1) You have added a few goals. Had you chosen to raise those modifications on the list and gotten some consensus for them, we would have happily incorporated them into the original. On the other hand, you might have gotten some pushback. The decision to keep the goals quite limited and focused was deliberate and resulted from some discussion. (2) You have eliminated some, perhaps all, of the details. Without those details, the proposal is reduced to a general concept that cannot be implemented. Perhaps you intended that the RFC Editor would sort the details out and just report them to the community. However, as we have seen in the reorganization proposal discussions on the rfc-interest list, many people in the community do not believe that the RFC Editor should make such decisions without community review, so eliminating those details --rather than making them specific and debating them-- is worse than useless. Finally and FWIW, by stripping the acknowledgments from the original document and not indicating the source for the text you used, it appears that you have violated the IPR requirements for I-D postings. So, what did you intend to accomplish? john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf