--On Monday, 15 September, 2008 12:38 -0600 Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Leslie Daigle wrote: > >> We need >> to have some cultural sophistication if we're going to ask >> Sue to run against incumbent Bob openly, given that Sue's WG >> has documents waiting for Bob's approval. > > If trust levels are that low, I think we have bigger problems. Trust levels are almost certainly that low and, unfortunately, occasionally justified (i.e., not just Sue's paranoid fantasies). I'm not aware of any IESG members who would take offense and retaliate against someone who permitted her name to be placed in nomination against them, but we have certainly seen instances of IESG retaliation, or threatened retaliation, against people whose positions are critical of the IESG and seen them in the fairly recent past. I believe that people have identified behavior in some IESG members that is equally inappropriate in the past to the Nomcom, only to see those people returned to their positions. That suggests to me that, in at least some cases, we have not exhibited the level of cultural sophistication that Leslie believes to be necessary. And I agree that it identifies larger problems. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf