Re: ISP support models Re: IPv6 NAT?

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On 2008-02-20 04:05, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
> On 19 feb 2008, at 15:40, Dan York wrote:
> 
>>> Is this important? The external address(es) are still different.
> 
>> Sure, but the home internal networks are identical.  So Homeowner A  
>> calls up the ISP support and is having a problem getting a machine  
>> to work with the wireless router provided by the ISP.  So the ISP  
>> tech says "on a working machine, point your browser to 192.168.10.1  
>> and...."
> 
>> A while later Homeowner B calls in with a similar problem. The ISP  
>> tech says "on a working machine, point your browser to 192.168.10.1  
>> and..."  Same with Homeowners C, D, E and so on.
> 
> I'm not buying that this is so important that it's worth having a box  
> rewrite EVERY address in EVERY packet for.
> 
> If you really want this, you can simply create a loopback interface  
> with address fc00::1 on it and users can type "http://[fc00::1]/"; (ok,  
> so the brackets are annoying, but no NAT helps against that) and the  
> users can connect to that address regardless of what the addresses  
> used on the LAN are.

I think we had this conversation recently and the answer was to make
the CPE's link-local URL something like http://[fe80::1]/. That's actually
fewer characters for the help desk to dictate than 192.168.10.1

The default case can be made automatic, as far as I can see, without
blocking the potential for non-default cases. All the issues John Klensin
mentioned need to be handled. We should take note of this:

On 2008-02-20 04:25, michael.dillon@xxxxxx wrote:
...
> If nobody writes all of this up into a set of guidelines
> for implementors of SOHO IPv6 gateways, including some more
> details on a proper service discovery mechanism, then it isn't
> going to happen. 

Hopefully the starting point will be in v6ops.

   Brian

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