On 11 feb 2008, at 17:55, Dan York wrote: > P.S. How many folks out there have phones (hard or soft) from which > they can place calls to other random SIP endpoints? (I do, but also > realize I'm in a minority.) Unfortunately, SIP providers on average only seem interested in providing "last mile over the internet" service, which gives you the downsides of the IP network AND the downsides of the POTS network only to save a few cents a minute. It seems to be a well-kept secret that you don't actually need a SIP server to receive (or make) calls over the internet: for a single user under a (sub-) domain, a few DNS records are all that's required. I've set things up so that I can be called using SIP at my email address, but I rarely remember to run the client because nobody ever does... _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf