--On Thursday, 29 November, 2007 10:15 +0100 Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@xxxxxx> wrote: >> It's not "geographic balance of places on the world map" that >> people are talking about here. It's "geographic balance of >> places where the people who write IETF documents live". > > Then, things can go on forever. We do not hold meetings in > places where there are not a lot of IETF members. As a result, > people from these countries do not come and do not > participate. Then, the prophecy becomes true. And so on. Stephane, If you believe this, it could easily be used to go back a decade and used to prove that we would never hold a meeting in either Europe or Asia. Such a proof would clearly be false, since people from those regions started participating actively and writing documents without the presumed benefits of showpiece meetings in their immediate vicinity. This isn't about making the IETF accessible to people. It is about the end of the horse on which the cart is to be placed. Of course, if we were to decide that we would like to be more like those organizations in which most of the work is done at meetings and a great deal of the purpose of a meeting is to act as a showpiece for the organization in some particular region or country, these considerations would change. I've had enough experience with those organizations and the related side-effects that I hope we don't go there. Ever. YMMD, but, if that were to be even part of your goal, I think you should be explicit about it, not raise spurious arguments about how people won't participate unless we start holding meetings in their city/ country/ region. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf