Fred, I sent a private list of what worked, but I also wanted to point out out something: > Which venues seemed to "work" from various folks' perspectives? Vancouver might actually be on that list, after construction is finished and hotel management is thrown into jail ;-) My recollection of the previous Vancouver meeting was that it worked very well. YMMV of course. That also applies more generally. The stuff that people complain about, like construction noise in Chicago or smoke in Prague -- we have to talk about what the likelihood of these things happening again on a repeat visit is. I'm 100% certain that if went back to Prague to the same hotel, they would be smoke free from day 1. And construction, presumably it does not last forever. A hotel that has not had construction trouble when we visited them might have construction next time. And one that did have it might be finished next time. So I'd focus more on the general layout of facilities (hotel, meeting rooms, restaurants), airline connections and ease of entrance, local IETF population potential, and so on. And frankly, I'm willing to be inconvenienced a bit if the sponsor wants to hold it at a specific location. Financing the meetings is important, too. Jari _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf