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From: rajesh rajesh <msrajesha@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Nov 19, 2007 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Africa and IPv6
To: jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hi
Educating decision making people about IPv6 through capacity building and training engineers especially at developing countries will make things clear about IPv6. IPv4 addresses shortage is being felt ...then IPv6 is appears to be the solution.
Rajesh
From: rajesh rajesh <msrajesha@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Nov 19, 2007 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Africa and IPv6
To: jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hi
Educating decision making people about IPv6 through capacity building and training engineers especially at developing countries will make things clear about IPv6. IPv4 addresses shortage is being felt ...then IPv6 is appears to be the solution.
Rajesh
On Nov 16, 2007 7:38 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Philemon,
I'm not sure if I'm missing something from your email, but what I can tell
you is:
1) Africa is not in a so bad situation looking at other regions with IPv6,
considering also the actual level of broadband deployment with IPv4.
2) Many people in other regions is also not aware of what IPv6 means, not
just as a protocol, but also from the perspective of future applications and
services. So no big difference here with the rest of the world, in general.
3) I've very closely worked with AfriNIC in the IPv6 capacity building
programs and the results are VERY visible, as the number of commercial IPv6
services, pilots and related activities has been continuously increasing
since them, showing the positive results of those actions.
4) Nobody is telling "remove IPv4". We talk about transition and coexistence
NOT migration, at least not at the time being. Against this is the same
problem in other regions, lack of enough education about this matter.
Competitors often don't talk openly about what they do, right ? I work with
many African ISPs and enterprises, and the situation doesn't look the same
you see.
5) Moving to IPv6 is *NOT*, in general, so expensive as perceived. In fact,
if you need help, I will be happy to provide it for free, as I often do in
developing regions.
6) IPv6 has been designed to cooperate with IPv4 !
Regards,
Jordi
> De: philemon < philemon@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Responder a: <philemon@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Fecha: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:46:48 +0100
> Para: < jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Thomas Narten <narten@xxxxxxxxxx>
> CC: <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
> Asunto: Africa and IPv6**********************************************>
> Hi All,
>
> Sorry for leading IPv4/IPv6 issues/debats back to the Africa context.
> indeed, it is important for us who live in this area to undesrtand what is
> our specific fate, what are our expectations in connection with the 'coming'
> IP protocol ( I mean IP v6).
> One note a king of hypocrisy, even in Africa, about the extent of the
> CURRENT importance or necessity of IPv6 in Africa. Hereupon, i want to share
> with you my analyze.
>
> The keen interest for IPv6 is very very weak throughout the continent
> http://www.afrinic.net/statistics/ipv6_resources.htm
> The cause of this fact are numerous:
>
> - People are not aware on additional benefits IPv6 should bring in their
> life; thereby no thing is motivating them sustain to dynamic towars IPv6.
> The main cause is the fact that there is no active e-strategy program in the
> different governement political/policy agenda.
> - Many organisations including afrinic try to initiate some capacity
> building programs upon IPv6 for the attention of mainly some technical
> bodies (ISPs...). Since then, not sure that things are going ahead at the
> exepected speed. We can therefore wonder: Was it strategic to beging the
> consciousness-raising compaign focusing on those specific bodies? If so why
> things are not moving upon in Africa?
> I work in a local ISP in my country, we have some meetings with our
> competitors but no ISP here refer to IPv6 issues as if it was not a very
> tipical matter as it is! Here again many ISPs in Africa are not yet aware on
> the technical/business benefits of IPv6. According to some ISPs/africans),
> as IPv4 is working well why should us change/remove it? Some one can answer
> by refering to the exhaustion matter. Thereupon, some one add new arguments
> so that to remain with IPv4 by well coming in the same time IPv6. They
> argue:
> - Moving towards the exclusive IPv6 is very expensive for African
> governments, operators and users as well... and we cannot.
> - Why both IPv4 and IPv6 cannot 'collaborate' together forever?
>
> Thanks
>
> Philemon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Narten" < narten@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: FW: I-D Action:draft-narten-ipv6-statement-00.txt
>
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> A little more background/context that got me here.
>>
>> My original thinking was to do something like what ICANN and the RIRs
>> have done, to bring awareness to the IPv4 situation and call for IPv6
>> deployment. I think the IETF can say a bit more about why, and the
>> threats to the internet architecture. (This came out of some
>> conversations I had at the recent ICANN meeting).
>>
>> Maybe this could be an IAB statement. Maybe an IETF statement. I'm not
>> sure. But I think it would be useful to have an "IETF voice" also be
>> heard in the call for deployment. Especially since there are still
>> some going around saying "IPv6 is not needed." "IPv6 is still not
>> done, so don't deploy yet", etc. Does the IETF think that deploying
>> IPv6 is necessary and in the best interest of the Internet? If so,
>> reiterating that would be good.
>>
>> I think though that it needs to be relatively short (which I probably
>> have already blown), and high-level, since it's really aimed at higher
>> level than your typical engineer. But the overal message needs to be
>> "think really hard about IPv4 exhaustion and what it means to your
>> business", "get serious about IPv6", and "it's done, so don't wait".
>>
>> To find a good balance between "short" and also include a bit more
>> detail (especially on the implications of not seeing IPv6 deployed),
>> perhaps a short executive summary (which I didn't get into -00)
>> followed by a bit more detail (e.g., up to 3 pages or so) would do the
>> trick.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
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