On 22 Oct 2007 at 17:46 -0400, Sam Hartman allegedly wrote: > * Phil's proposal has been shot down prematurely in my opinion. I > agree that his current version would not fly. However I do think > there are working groups that could make conclusions about their > patent policies and for which doing so would have helped the > effort a lot. Working Groups have the freedom to do that if they wish. I don't want a simplistic edict from on high that all working groups must do so. Interactions between issues, technical and otherwise, are way too varied and potentially complicated for such shallow rule-making. > Working through draft-housley-tls-authz-extns gave me a personal > significant lack of confidence in our patent policies and whether > they meet our goals and objectives. I also wonder whether our goals > and objectives may have shifted somewhat since they were written. > However I'm definitely uncomfortable with relying on our existing > documents in any real dispute. I think the problem is that because we have a wide range of opinion and desired outcome, we cannot create simple rules, which means the difficult cases take a lot of discussion. I think that's important to preserve, in order to support the possibility of new outcomes. swb _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf