Re: IPv6 will never fly: ARIN continues to kill it

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> On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 12:17:21PM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 12:08:30AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 	interestingly, some software vendors ship w/ license
> > > > > 	keys tied to IP addresses... particularly for enterprise
> > > > > 	level stuff.  not so easy to update in my experience.
> > > > 
> > > > 	I've always thought that practice to be STUPID.  It was
> > > > 	stupid 15 years ago and it is still stupid today.  Yes
> > > > 	I've had to renumber sites with keys tied to IP addresses.
> > > 
> > > 	stupid or not, it exists and is not ammenable to automation.
> > 
> > 	Why isn't it?  It's just one more message for the management
> > 	station to push out.
> 
> 	notifcation sure...  getting the other side to re-issue the license
> 	with the new IP's (which the MS has to figure out what they are on 
> 	its own, wiht the kewl AI-based smarts that it has) - and then
> 	getting the new code installed/configured ... all under the automated
> 	hands of "master control".... is a different set of considerations.

	Actually if they want to tie the licence to a address, a ULA
	would provide exactly the same level of assurance they get
	today and make it independent of PA renumber events.

> > > > > 	David is correct, scale does have its own set of renumbering
> > > > > 	problems.  While i believe you, i think your confidence
> > > > > 	is based on some naieve assumptions.
> > > > 
> > > > 	I'm not saying scale doesn't have problems.  Automation
> > > > 	however is the solution to those problems.  That's why
> > > > 	management stations were invented.
> > > 
> > > 	automation can augment renumbering events, but until we
> > > 	have a fundamental change in architecture, renumbering will require
> > > 	human intervention and will always be disruptive.
> > 
> > 	It doesn't take a change in architecture.  We have the
> > 	technology today to remove the need to tie anything to specific
> > 	IP addresses.  It just requires the willingness to use it.
> 
> 	simple assertion does not make it so.  perhaps we should make a checkli
> st
> 	and see which things meet your criteria.  (my assertion that location/I
> D
> 	overload is built in to both IPv4 and IPv6 seems to be born out by the
> 	specs, documentation, and commentary over the past 25 years ... and tha
> t
> 	until one can cleanly seperate the two, that renumbering will be diffic
> ult
> 	should also be tested)  I have provided TWO cases where renumbering is
> 	is difficult to automate - i'm sure i can find others.  I beleive your
> 	claim (oblique as it may be) is that the DNS name is the long-term pers
> istant
> 	identifier...  I tried to make that claim a decade ago and was persuade
> d
> 	(eventually) otherwise.  Time to dig through the archives to see if tha
> t
> 	logic still holds true.
> 
> 
> > 
> > 	Mark
> > 	
> >  
> > > --bill
> > > Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and
> > > certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise).
> > -- 
> > Mark Andrews, ISC
> > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
> > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742                 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@xxxxxxx
> 
> -- 
> --bill
> 
> Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and
> certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise).
> 
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