--On Friday, 24 August, 2007 17:34 -0400 Thomas Narten <narten@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Some background and history. > > The IETF gave it's view on where the boundary for IPv6 blocks > to end sites should be (i.e., the /48 recommendation) in RFC > 3177 back in the 2000-2001 time frame. > > At that time, there were plenty of folk in the IETF that > thought the IETF could/should set address policy, > notwithstanding fact that the RIRs were doing that for IPv4. > > RFC 3177 was a way for the IETF to make a recommendation to > the RIRs, without stepping on RIR toes (too much). Note that > it is only a recommendation, and the RFC is informational. > > The fact is, the /48 boundary is _NOT_ architectural, and > saying it is doesn't make it so. I challenge anyone to find a > standards track document that relies on /48 being part of the > architecture. (And you might want to have a look at >... Thomas, Let me suggest a slightly different perspective on this. First, the decision as to how large to make the IPv6 address space is, and was, an architectural decision. We could have chosen a longer length, we could have chosen a shorter one, we could even have made it variable length (with or without a fixed-length or maximum-length network part). As others have pointed out, we could have taken explicit measures to separate IP-level addressing from routing as a fundamental part of that architecture. All of those options were considered (although some a lot more carefully than others). Whether it is obsolete or not, and, if it is, whether because of hardware or security considerations, the belief that local networks needed to have 64 bits available for MAC address mapping were also part of that picture. Again, certainly an architectural decision rather than "pure policy". Whether it was explicit or not, assumptions about the effective size of that address space -- how many sites or "networks" it could serve -- were also part of those architectural decisions. I remember a whole series of discussions about whether N bits (for various values of N) were enough under various scenarios. We might not have gotten those decisions right, but they were IETF decisions and decisions made as part of determining what IPv6 looked like. Second, the notion that RIRs set addressing policy is one that has not been in place forever. Indeed, it has evolved very slowly and mostly by assertion by the RIRs that they have that authority --assertions that, in other contexts, might look a lot like either filling a vacuum or turf grabs depending on one's perspective. While they have always (since there have been RIRs) had broad discretion within their own regions, and it has always been recognized some coordination discourages forum-shopping and other bad behavior, global address policy was historically set by IANA in conjunction with the IAB, not by the RIRs (although I assume their advice was certainly welcomed). Without taking any position on whether the ARIN decision is a reasonable one, I believe that the IETF has had, and continues to have, a role in the general design of addressing architectures and hence in allocation strategies. I also believe that the RIRs have some obligation to consult the IETF before making a major policy change and to pay careful attention to anything rational the IETF has to say. I also believe that things are seriously out of joint if we need to worry about whose toes are being stepped on before opinions are expressed. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf