> The current business model does not bring in enough cash. How do we bring in more > in a way that furthers ietf goals? E.g. other standards setting bodies have paid memberships and/or sellable standards. IETF unique way could be to charge a fee for an address allocation to RIRs. On their side RIRs would charge for assignments as they do now and return a fair share back to IANA/IETF. If IETF start charging for reading contributors' papers how much voluntary contribution such arrangement would generate? Is there a guarantee that a pre-paid content remains worth reading? Thanks, Peter --- "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This is a topic on which everyone can have an opinion, hence many posts. > > Perhaps if there was a charge per post to an ietf mailing list? > > There is a serious point here though, Cerf, Postel and co have left us an > institution with a 60s flower power era business model and a 1990s expectation of > quality of service. > > The current business model does not bring in enough cash. How do we bring in more > in a way that furthers ietf goals? > > We could adopt the nist model of franchising conformance testing, only with an > incremental fee on top paid to the ietf for use of the brand. > > The fee per item does not have to be very large to bring in a lot of cash. We only > need five or so million a year. > > > > Sent from my GoodLink Wireless Handheld (www.good.com) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Gray (LO/EUS) [mailto:eric.gray@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:43 AM Pacific Standard Time > To: Melinda Shore; Stephane Bortzmeyer; Thierry Ernst > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Charging I-Ds > > Melinda, > > I was trying to avoid weighing in on this discussion. > The discussion is essentially inane, and that's (at least > part of) your point. After all, the thought that someone > might be asked to work on an ID, and then - in addition to > volunteering their time to do the work - they then need to > pay (per iteration) for the privilege of submitting it is > utterly absurd. > > The whole idea of taxing volunteers is, as you said, > ghastly. > > But - while we're on the subject of volunteering - your > comment that reviews are at "no cost to the IETF" isn't quite > correct. As a well-known SciFi author used to say - > > "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch" > > - (or TANSTAAFL). The effort to find sufficient volunteers > to review documents is not a "no cost" exercise. > > -- > Eric Gray > Principal Engineer > Ericsson > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Melinda Shore [mailto:mshore@xxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:02 AM > > To: Stephane Bortzmeyer; Thierry Ernst > > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > > Subject: Re: Charging I-Ds > > > > On 7/31/07 10:51 AM, "Stephane Bortzmeyer" <bortzmeyer@xxxxxx> wrote: > > > If an I-D is reviewed by several persons in the WG, one AD, two > > > members of IESG, etc, then, yes, it costs money but such an in-depth > > > review does not happen for random student-published I-D. > > > > There is still no cost to the IETF, since review time is volunteer > > time. The costs are for the secretariat, since someone has to extract > > the attachments or retrieve the drafts, get them into the database, > > keep the systems up and running, etc. > > > > That said, I think the idea of charging for draft publication is > > ghastly. Incentives matter, and structures that encourage more > > openness are better than structures that discourage more openness. > > > > Melinda > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf mailing list > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf