Re: chicago IETF IPv6 connectivity

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Clint Chaplin wrote:
>> there is NOBODY working in IETF for whom familiarity with IP, including
>> IPv6, is not essential.
>> whether they realize this is a different question.  but you cannot do
>> competent work in IETF without a basic understanding of the TCP/IP
>> protocol stack.
> adsl mib
> enum
> geopriv
> mediactrl
> speechsc
> emu
> kitten
> ltans
> openpgp
> pkix
my point stands.  participants in all of these groups need to understand
basics of the TCP/IP protocol stack (including UDP).  for instance, you
can't write a decent MIB without understanding how SNMP works and to do
that you need to understand the consequences of its design choices
(including how it uses UDP).  similarly, you can't do a competent job
designing new DNS records or using existing ones without understanding
the protocol limitations of DNS, which follow to a large degree from
quirks in IP and UDP.   You certainly can't do competent Internet
security work without understanding how the information is going to be
packetized, routed, and sent around the network, and reassembled - i.e.
without understanding IP.

I once had a working group where the participants insisted that they
layer everything on top of HTTP because they didn't understand TCP and
weren't willing to learn.  They didn't even really understand HTTP or
its limitations, for instance, in being pretty much a
remote-procedure-call mechanism (which has certain inherent
inefficiencies) or being poor at handling asychronous notifications
(which they needed).  All they knew was that HTTP had APIs that they
could call.  And they didn't know how to use those.  And what they
produced was a disaster.



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