RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the mic)

"Eric Gray \(LO/EUS\)" <eric.gray@xxxxxxxxxxxx> · Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:49:29 -0500

On the flip side, you could be arguing that nobody would be 
able to understand
what I said without your helpful intervention.  Must 
get tiring having to put words
in other people's mouths all of the 
time...

Thanks!

--
Eric Gray
Principal Engineer
Ericsson 

  From: Schliesser, Benson 
  [mailto:bensons@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:27 
  PM
To: Eric Gray (LO/EUS)
Cc: 
  ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the 
  mic)
Importance: High

  Eric-

  It sounds like your argument is: "We're too incompetent 
  to say our names at the mic, so we're probably too incompetent to use a RFID 
  system."  Did I get that right?

  While I'm certainly not going to defend the competence of 
  every IETF participant, I don't find much merit in that argument. In my 
  (unscientific) first-hand experiences, it seems that most people 
  do manage to wear their nametags at the meeting. And many of the names on 
  those tags are of cultural origins other than my own, i.e. from a non-English 
  speaking country. If I could actually see the name of the person 
  speaking, it seems like a great improvement over hearing a name which is 
  unintelligible to my ears or hearing no name at all. And if somebody forgets 
  their RFID-badge, then I'm no worse off than I 
  am today.

  In other words, I think we could come up with a system 
  that worked well enough to be a net improvement over our current operational 
  model.

  On the other hand, I am amused by your idea of 
  scanning the streets for RFID responses that look like 
  IETF-badges. Then my robot army could track down and kill all IETF 
  participants whom oppose my plans to take over the Internet! Or maybe I could 
  just use them for some fun practical jokes instead...

  Cheers,
  -Benson

    From: Eric Gray (LO/EUS) 
    [mailto:eric.gray@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 
    4:56 PM
To: Andrew G. Malis
Cc: 
    ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the 
    mic)

    Andy,

    The problem is that we are a 
    perpetually forgetful crowd. In particular, we 
    tend to forget to take our badges off when we wander 
    around town.  Hence,
    it is likely that more people will be able to tell 
    where we are than those who
    we intend to know where we are.

    Kind of goes with the tendency to 
    forget to identify yourself at the mike.

    So, we get a nice RFID protective 
    wallet and - remembering how absent
    minded we are - we keep our name tags (with all of our 
    other RFID badges,
    and passes) in that 
    protective wallet.

    As a result, unless you need to get it 
    out to get into a room, it will likely
    be inside that protective wallet most of the 
    week.  On the plus side, that
    means I won't be the only one who forgets to put my 
    name tag on.  On the
    negative side, an RFID name tag - especially one that 
    is in a protective
    wallet - is not particularly human 
    readable.  At least - if we remember to put 

    them on - the current name tags are fairly easy to 
    read.

    Did I mention how forgetfull we tend 
    to be?  I thought so, but I don't 
    remember...

--
Eric Gray
Principal Engineer
Ericsson 

      From: Andrew G. Malis 
      [mailto:agmalis@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:45 
      AM
To: Eric Gray (LO/EUS)
Cc: David Morris; 
      ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: RFID (was: identifying yourself at 
      the mic)
Importance: High

      Eric,

      Why not? We each already receive a unique identifier when we register 
      for the meeting - all the RFID tag needs to contain is that identifier, no 
      personal info is required.

      There could also be an opt-in locator service to let other attendees 
      look up what meeting room you're in at that time.  I would opt in - 
      I'm alrways trying to find particular people during the week, and this 
      would certainly help people to find me. 

      Cheers,
      Andy

      On 3/27/07, Eric 
      Gray (LO/EUS) <eric.gray@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
      wrote: 

        Excellent idea - NOT!!!

        All 
        we need is something else to wrap in aluminum 
foil...

        Thanks!

--
Eric Gray
Principal 
        Engineer
Ericsson 

          From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:agmalis@xxxxxxxxx] 

Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:55 AM 
To: David 
          Morris
Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: RFID (was: 
          identifying yourself at the mic) 

          RFID would be a great way to replace the blue sheets as well - 
          put an RFID reader at the door of each meeting room.  Embed the 
          chip in the name tag so you don't need to remember to bring anything 
          else from your hotel room in the morning. 

          Cheers,
          Andy

          On 
            Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Schliesser, Benson wrote:

Sun has been 
            pushing RFID technology quite heavily ... perhaps they would 

sponsor an 
        experiment???

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