RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the mic)

"Schliesser, Benson" <bensons@xxxxxxxxxx> · Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:15:58 -0500

Eric-

Did I misunderstand your original note? I thought you 
were suggesting that IETFers were generally paranoid and forgetful. 
That certainly is true for me, and yet I remember to wear my 
badge. But please don't allow me to put words in your mouth; if I 
missed your point please clarify.

Cheers,
-Benson

  From: Eric Gray (LO/EUS) 
  [mailto:eric.gray@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:49 
  PM
To: Schliesser, Benson
Cc: 
  ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the 
  mic)

  On the flip side, you could be arguing that nobody would 
  be able to understand
  what I said without your helpful intervention.  Must 
  get tiring having to put words
  in other people's mouths all of the 
  time...

  Thanks!

--
Eric Gray
Principal 
  Engineer
Ericsson 

    From: Schliesser, Benson 
    [mailto:bensons@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:27 
    PM
To: Eric Gray (LO/EUS)
Cc: 
    ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the 
    mic)
Importance: High

    Eric-

    It sounds like your argument is: "We're too incompetent 
    to say our names at the mic, so we're probably too incompetent to use a RFID 
    system."  Did I get that right?

    While I'm certainly not going to defend the competence 
    of every IETF participant, I don't find much merit in that argument. In my 
    (unscientific) first-hand experiences, it seems that most people 
    do manage to wear their nametags at the meeting. And many of the names 
    on those tags are of cultural origins other than my own, i.e. from a 
    non-English speaking country. If I could actually see the name of the 
    person speaking, it seems like a great improvement over hearing a name which 
    is unintelligible to my ears or hearing no name at all. And if somebody 
    forgets their RFID-badge, then I'm no worse off than I 
    am today.

    In other words, I think we could come up with a system 
    that worked well enough to be a net improvement over our current operational 
    model.

    On the other hand, I am amused by your idea of 
    scanning the streets for RFID responses that look like 
    IETF-badges. Then my robot army could track down and kill all IETF 
    participants whom oppose my plans to take over the Internet! Or maybe I 
    could just use them for some fun practical jokes 
    instead...

    Cheers,
    -Benson

      From: Eric Gray (LO/EUS) 
      [mailto:eric.gray@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 
      4:56 PM
To: Andrew G. Malis
Cc: 
      ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at 
      the mic)

      Andy,

      The problem is that we are a 
      perpetually forgetful crowd. In particular, we 
      tend to forget to take our badges off when we wander 
      around town.  Hence,
      it is likely that more people will be able to tell 
      where we are than those who
      we intend to know where we are.

      Kind of goes with the tendency to 
      forget to identify yourself at the mike.

      So, we get a nice RFID 
      protective wallet and - remembering how absent
      minded we are - we keep our name tags (with all of 
      our other RFID badges,
      and passes) in that 
      protective wallet.

      As a result, unless you need to get 
      it out to get into a room, it will likely
      be inside that protective wallet most of the 
      week.  On the plus side, that
      means I won't be the only one who forgets to put my 
      name tag on.  On the
      negative side, an RFID name tag - especially one that 
      is in a protective
      wallet - is not particularly human 
      readable.  At least - if we remember to put 

      them on - the current name tags are fairly easy to 
      read.

      Did I mention how forgetfull we tend 
      to be?  I thought so, but I don't 
      remember...

--
Eric Gray
Principal Engineer
Ericsson 

        From: Andrew G. Malis 
        [mailto:agmalis@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 
        11:45 AM
To: Eric Gray (LO/EUS)
Cc: David Morris; 
        ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: RFID (was: identifying yourself at 
        the mic)
Importance: High

        Eric,

        Why not? We each already receive a unique identifier when we 
        register for the meeting - all the RFID tag needs to contain is that 
        identifier, no personal info is required.

        There could also be an opt-in locator service to let other 
        attendees look up what meeting room you're in at that time.  I 
        would opt in - I'm alrways trying to find particular people during the 
        week, and this would certainly help people to find me. 

        Cheers,
        Andy

        On 3/27/07, Eric 
        Gray (LO/EUS) <eric.gray@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
        wrote: 

          Excellent idea - NOT!!!

          All we need is something else to wrap in aluminum 
          foil...

          Thanks!

--
Eric Gray
Principal 
          Engineer
Ericsson 

            From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:agmalis@xxxxxxxxx] 

Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:55 AM 
To: 
            David Morris
Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: RFID (was: 
            identifying yourself at the mic) 

            RFID would be a great way to replace the blue sheets as well - 
            put an RFID reader at the door of each meeting room.  Embed the 
            chip in the name tag so you don't need to remember to bring anything 
            else from your hotel room in the morning. 

            Cheers,
            Andy

            On 
              Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Schliesser, Benson wrote:

Sun has been 
              pushing RFID technology quite heavily ... perhaps they would 

sponsor an 
          experiment???

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