Hey Ted - the more I thought about this post of yours the more it annoyed me. You see - when a WG chair doesn't want someone saying something in their WG and they control the number of players in that WG, they will always control the consensus such as it is. The point is that there is no where to permanently register a dissenting opinion in an effort or IETF program now that you claim that the charter for the IETF@xxxxxxxx mailing list is restricted. The IETF needs IMHO one general list for everything that doesn't fall under the rubric/charter/umbrella of some WG and their list, and personally after NETWORK was shutdown I thought that this was it. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theodore Tso" <tytso@xxxxxxx> To: "todd glassey" <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <nea@xxxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea) > On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 02:39:46PM -0700, todd glassey wrote: > > So then Ted are you formally saying that it is inappropriate to discuss IETF > > operations or its processes on the IETF@xxxxxxxx mailing list? > > If you have a specific and actionable suggestion regarding IETF > direction, policy, meetings, and procedures, where there is not a more > appropriate e-mail venue (such as the IPR wg list), then it is > certainly, appropriate for the IETF list. > > Your recent postings, alas, have not met this test. > > > The problem with the IPR working group is simply that Harald kicks people > > off for disagreeing with him or his very limited charter. He doesn't want to > > hear about expanding the charter or how these other issues fit into the IPR > > Working Group and in doing so he is violating my and others participatory > > rights as well as our First Amendment rights I believe too. > > First Amendment rights only apply when the US Government restricts > speech. It does not apply anywhere else. In general, you have been > making various legal claims without being a lawyer, and fairly wild > ones which make it very clear that you don't know what you are talking > about. For what it's worth, be advised that I know of know legally > enforceable "right" that you might have towards participating in any > IETF forum, and certainly if you persist in sounding like someone who > does not know what they are talking about, no one is required to > listen to you, either --- and more and more people may in fact decide > that it is wise for them to exercise their right to ignore you. > > Regards, > > - Ted _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf