>>>>> "Jefsey" == Jefsey Morfin <jefsey@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:
I think the following is a good summary of our quandary.
Jefsey> At 11:17 20/09/2006, Dave Cridland wrote:
>> Well, I think there's a lot of confusion between the statement "We,
>> as engineers trying to maintain our scientific integrity as a whole,
>> consider this specification a good thing and recommend it", and "We,
>> as disinterested engineers trying to be practical and document what
>> gets used, note this specification is widely used".
Jefsey> The first statement best matches RFC 3935, except that "we" should be
Jefsey> read as the IETF "leaders" (what is realistic in a rough consensus
Jefsey> approach). The problem ("the near-impossibility of getting an
Jefsey> informed consensus opinion on a complex subject out of a community of
Jefsey> several thousand people in a short time") and this soliution is
Jefsey> documented in part 3.
Jefsey> Also, "The Internet isn't value-neutral, and neither is the IETF. We
Jefsey> want the Internet to be useful for communities that share our
Jefsey> commitment to openness and fairness. We embrace technical concepts
Jefsey> such as decentralized control, edge-user empowerment and sharing
Jefsey> of resources, because those concepts resonate with the core values
Jefsey> of the IETF community. These concepts have little to do with
Jefsey> the technology that's possible, and much to do with the technology
Jefsey> that we choose to create." However,"we are also constrained by the
Jefsey> principle of competence: Where we do not have, and cannot gather, the
Jefsey> competence needed to make technically sound standards, we should not
Jefsey> attempt to take the leadership." because "Sometimes the IETF
Jefsey> leverages standards that are defined and maintained by other
Jefsey> organizations; we continue to work with those organizations on their
Jefsey> standards and do not attempt to take them over."
Jefsey> This creates many difficulties in world reality which is under
Jefsey> distributed control, and therefore edge-user centric, working by
Jefsey> subsidiarity, using concerted procedures and consensus, while we may
Jefsey> chose to select parts of external standards and contradict their
Jefsey> inner logic because they are not based on the same core values, or do
Jefsey> not share our vision of these values.
Jefsey> The second statement seems therefore more appropriate. However this
Jefsey> is only a reporting mission and we miss the IEB (Internet Engineer's
Jefsey> Book) publication adequate system. We should therefore target some
Jefsey> intermediate statement between "influence" and "report" and consider
Jefsey> the RFC 3935 principles of responsiblity and competence, and the most
Jefsey> inportant sentence "the benefit of a standard to the Internet is in
Jefsey> interoperability - that multiple products implementing a standard are
Jefsey> able to work together in order to deliver valuable functions to the
Jefsey> Internet's users" remembering the quote above "Sometimes the IETF
Jefsey> leverages standards that are defined and maintained by other
Jefsey> organizations; we continue to work with those organizations on their
Jefsey> standards and do not attempt to take them over". Interoperability
Jefsey> must not be only within our own standards, but with the standards we
Jefsey> leverage" we have the duty to respect and to know.
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