Cool Rob - how about we ask ALL of the other members of all of the other WG's since these rules and processes effect them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Evans" <internetplumber@xxxxxxxxx> To: "todd glassey" <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <ietf@xxxxxxxx>; "Noel Chiappa" <jnc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process rather than some > Todd, > > As one of the randoms (and speaking for nobody but myself)... > > > The facts remain - most IETF WG participants have no idea what is going on > > here - and that is not their fault - its the fault of the design of the IETF > > Personally I've no huge problem with the nomcom. > > However, if you feel it needs to change, then the usual method would > be to write two drafts. The first a problem statement describing the > issues with the current system, and the second a proposal of how to > change it. That way there is something concrete to discuss. I wrote a draft about Open and Fair and was shot down for it. What I am saying is that anything that threatens the ruling class of the IETF is just that a threat to the ruling class. It is that Class of specialists who refuse to be accountable for their actions that need to be addressed. > > If people have no idea what is going on, one of the reasons could be > because it is spread out over several dozen email messages rather than > a couple of focused documents. Or 10 or so RFC's which even the Authors of cant ultimately say what is in control at any given instant. > > > YES. In fact I ran a small survey and got a 97% YES response. 97%... > > I guess this is relatively meaningless without a context into the > community from which the responses were received. Actually it was done externally to this WG intentionally and it was stunning to find out that no-one outside these key WG's has any idea as to what is happening with the IETF or its processes. > > All the best, > Rob _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf