Re: are we willing to do change how we do discussions in IETF? (was: moving from hosts to sponsors)

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> > I think that the single change most likely to keep WGs on track is to ensure
> > that they do not have a single dominant participant, eg one who is both chair and
> > author of key I-Ds.  The WGs I see most at risk of going round in circles and/or
> > producing output that falls short of what is needed are ones such.

> > Some time ago, I did hear an IESG member talk of this in such a way as to make
> > me think that this was an understood problem, but nothing seems to have changed
> > in the two or so years since then.

> Perhaps it is an unwritten rule, but I thought this battle was fought
> and won years ago.  Perhaps you should discuss the specific problem with
> the AD and or the IESG.  I can't recall the last time I was involved in
> a group in which the chair played an active role in authoring.  And as
> someone who did that way many years ago, I strongly advise against it.

This is exactly my take as well. I've seen many cases where a chair has
refused to become a document author or editor in a group because of the
conflict it creates. I've also seen at least one case where a chair stepped
down in order to become a document author.

Of course there are exceptions. The obvious ones are that the conflict is much
more limited when there's a non-aothor co-chair, the authorship role is limited
to a small subset of the group's documents, or both. For example, I was asked
to co-chair the NNTPEXT group in large part because the other co-chair was also
the main document author. (I note in passing that in this case we ended up with
both roles being done by other people.)

In another case, I once tried to weasle out of writing a specification (now RFC
2034) because at the time I was co-chair of the NOTARY group. But the feedback
from all concerned was that it one small ancillary document and I was a only
the co-chair, and I was, um, persuaded to do the work.

> > And, of course, I believe that there is more to good engineering than just
> > engineering eg the right processes.

> Ding ding!

Ditto.

				Ned

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