Re: are we willing to do change how we do discussions in IETF?

[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

 



On 24-jun-2006, at 15:05, Keith Moore wrote:

I don't think the solution is more hoops to jump through. Unless I'm
mistaken, the IESG already has significant lattitude in rejecting
protocols or imposing additional requirements.

By the time IESG gets around to reviewing things, more often than not
it's too late to fix whatever is wrong. What we need to arrange is that the significant review happens earlier, when the WG is still functional. By the time the final review rolls around it should mostly be a formality - assuming, of course, that the WG has not changed things significantly since earlier reviews.

This is orthogonal to the earlier discussion about whether there should be additional requirements for running code and so on. (Or at least, it should be: if you think it's hard to get people to let go of specifications they hold dear, try getting them to part with running code.)

The IETF wgs work well when there is a clear "best" solution or set of more or less equivalent best solutions. As far as I can tell, the wg process and the IETF process in general have a hard time working well when there is no clear best solution so several interests must be traded off against each other. If a wg succeeds in doing this, there's always someone to cry faul because their favorite interest didn't get top billing as soon as the result leaves the wg.

Unfortunately, we don't seem to have a way to resolve this other than let the market decide, which isn't too good for the IETF because it means that some work done in the IETF is subsequently deemed a failure and people who don't understand this take a dim view of the IETF because they think it can't create good protocols. In reality, the IETF is successful because it allowed the market to do its work rather than to impose the choice of a small group. But then, the IETF operates under an American culteral bias and in American culture there is no appreciation for second place, only for winning.

_______________________________________________

Ietf@xxxxxxxx
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

[Index of Archives]     [IETF Annoucements]     [IETF]     [IP Storage]     [Yosemite News]     [Linux SCTP]     [Linux Newbies]     [Fedora Users]