Lakshminath, Are you aware that you are not answering my question? Please describe where you see unnecessary complexity, and suggest remedies. Noone came near answering these, so throwing the ball to someone else wont help. Alper > -----Original Message----- > From: Lakshminath Dondeti [mailto:ldondeti@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 3:58 PM > To: Alper Yegin > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Complexity (was RE: The Emperor Has No Clothes: Is PANA > actually useful?) > > At 03:20 PM 5/26/2006, Alper Yegin wrote: > > > So far evaluations done by the broader > > > community seem to be concluding that PANA is in fact complex and not > > > easily deployable. > > > >Who would that community be? > > > >I have heard the complexity issue from you and few others multiple times, > >but there has never been a justification to this claim. > > Alper, > > It's clear now that PANA documents as written are found to be complex > and with gaps by folks who have spent the time to review them during > the IETF LC process. So, whereas there is consensus at WG level as > determined by Raj and you to forward the documents to the IESG, at > the IETF LC level, I see that there is no broad consensus as I > understand the word rough consensus. > > > >We are not feeding on complexity, we are not married to it either. If you > >can tell us what parts we can simplify, the whole community would be > >grateful to you. > > I did a review of PANA-IPsec and had several questions and comments, > but then of course the discussion moved to what does PANA buy more > than say EAP over IKEv2 and I didn't have a reasonable answer. > > Further, my recollection is that several emails in this thread have > already listed things PANA might do away with to reduce the > complexity (e.g., one of Jari's emails). > > regards, > Lakshminath > > > >Please describe where you see unnecessary complexity, and suggest > remedies. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Alper > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf