> From: Terry Gray <gray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Would you agree with the thesis that *without* pervasive PI, the future > of NAT (or some other mechanism for providing address autonomy to > organizations) is absolutely guaranteed forever (even with v6)? The use of NAT to provide local addressing regions (to avoid the need to renumber) is just a symptom of the fact that the architecture doesn't have enough namespaces (and layers of binding between them). But rather than fix that *real* problem, we'd rather go for easy kludges that fix only a tiny part of the problem, and have minimal cost in the short term, ignoring the fact that in the long term they create more problems than they solve. Hey, wait a minute, that sounds just like a description of NAT too! Funny thing about that... > It does make me wonder if there is any hope for resurrection of 8+8... That's about as likely as the adoption of a restricted subset of the CLNP specification, on which mandated a globally unique ID portion of the NSAP (I think that was called TUBA, IIRC). That was rejected because it would be incompatible with the installed base. The fact that in so rejecting it, that decision doomed CLNP, was apparently not clearly obvious to everyone. Now we hear that anything like 8+8 is infeasiable because it's incompatible with the installed base (all 17 of them). Hey, wait a minute... Noel _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf