> it certainly will be interesting to see what an IP
> address is really worth.
> address is really worth.
It is worth about the same as a postal address that comes naturally when they build a new house. In a similar way when a new device comes to existence it gets an address out of infinite universe of 0 and 1.
The actual cost driver here is a need for an operator (e.g. Postal Service or ISP) to maintain a list of all existing addresses to be able to provide their services.
Technically IP address is an enabler of a service rather than the service itself such as e.g. delivery of a message from A to B. As such addresses should not be sold or rented, they just come with devices. IP addresses, in particular IPv6 ones, is more a common good that we all share such as air rather then an item produced for sale by someone who
incurres costs during production.
Michel Py <michel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
> The problem is that nothing matches historical growth, because it
> contains elements that have proven resistant against modeling.
That's the way I see it myself.
> Until that time, I'll continue to assume 2010 - 2015 with
> 2012 as the most likely moment for IPv4 to run out.
In the big scheme of things, I actually don't see what it changes to
know the exact date now anyway.
> We only get to cry wolf so many times.
And we have cried a lot over the last 10 years (including doom
predictions over Y2K). As of today I don't see people doing anything
until they actually see the wolf. And I think they won't even do
anything then until the wolf proves to be a big annoyance, which remains
to be seen.
> When we run out of IPv4 space obviously very many people will
> have IPv4 addresses and they'll want to keep using them.
Indeed. And in the case of the US (and to a lesser extent other
industrialized countries) 3 to 4 addresses per capita are enough for a
very long time. It is possible that the US will remain a v4 deal
forever, as many Americans are not interested in what happens elsewhere
in the first place.
To me, the interesting thing is not WHEN it will happen; it's WHAT
happens when it does and what we can do about it.
> There is however and interesting policy question: should we
> allow IPv4 addresses to be sold? Some people are in favor of
> this, but I don't see the upside of formally allowing it.
> (People are going to do it to some degree anyway.)
I think it's too early to have good decision arguments about what to do
about this. The wealthy (meaning: can afford to pay $10/month for an
address) will have an address no matter what. The supply is limited but
so is the demand, it certainly will be interesting to see what an IP
address is really worth.
My take on it is that we have to wait a year or so and see how the black
market develops and how bad it is. Generally speaking, the addresses
already are where the money also is; unless dramatic socio-economic
changes happen I don't see much movement there. The demand is not how
many people want IP addresses; the demand is how many people want
addresses times how much they can spend on one. Also, some governments
might actually like the double-NAT idea, as it somehow restricts free
flow of information and might appear more controllable.
> Noel Chiappa wrote:
> Some clever people worked out this ugly hack, which the
> marketplace judged - despite its ugliness - to be a superior
> solution to the forklift upgrade to IPv6.
I don't think the market decided it was "superior". The market decided
it was good enough, cheaper, and easier.
> Don't be surprised if the world, facing "complete exhaustion of the
> IPv4 address space (Version 2)" decides, yet again, that some sort
> of Plan B is a better choice than a conversion to IPv6.
> I have no idea exactly what it will be (maybe a free market in IPv4
> addresses, plus layered NAT's, to name just one possibility), but
> there are a lot of clever people out there, and *once events force
> them to turn their attention to this particular alligator*, don't be
> surprised if they don't come up with yet another workaround.
I agree with Noel here.
Michel
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