On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 04:21:31PM +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Ray, > > I think our goal is to not lose essential participants from the IETF due > to clashes. In fact that's why we want to schedule several years out, so > as to make it easier for many other organizations to do their scheduling. > If we do that, it's each organization's choice whether or not they avoid > IETF > weeks. (This week, for example, ITU-T NGN chose to schedule two major > meetings > in other cities.) and how does one define "essectial participants"? > I don't think it's discriminatory to put the NICs and NOGs that don't seem > to have a large overlap with IETF participants in the second category. It's > just a matter of practicality, given that optimal scheduling is a > fundamentally imsoluble problem anyway. I'd be delighted to see growth in > African participation in the IETF (the spreadsheet shows two people from > Africa pre-registered this week). the same arguments could have been applied to europe 15 years ago... but they were not - --bill > > Brian > > Ray Plzak wrote: > >Why should AfriNIC be considered any less of an RIR than the other APNIC, > >ARIN, LACNIC, or RIPE NCC(meeting is at RIPE meeting)? Why should AFNOG be > >considered any less of an operator's forum than NANOG or EOF(meeting is at > >RIPE meeting)? We are talking about an entire continent. It seems to me in > >this case that the priority should be equality of treatment based on the > >function being performed for a region and not any other perceived reason > >for > >inequity. Or doesn't the IETF care about the Internet in the developing > >regions of the world? > > > >Ray > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Joel Jaeggli [mailto:joelja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > >>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:53 AM > >>To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > >>Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > >>Subject: Re: Proposed 2008 - 2010 IETF Meeting dates > >> > >>yOn Fri, 24 Mar 2006, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Hi Ray, > >>> > >>>I know is difficult already to manage to avoid clashes, but I think is > >>>unfair and discriminatory to have all the RIRs and *NOGs in the MUST NOT > >>>list, but AfriNIC, AfNOG and SANOG in the other list. > >> > >>having attended two of three I would simply observe that the overlap > >>between the two communites is a little lower. also. having attended every > >>afnog meeting, it hasn't yet clashed with the ietf. You have to have some > >>priorities. > >> > >> > >>>Anticipating for so many years is good enough to allow all those > >>>organizations to chat together and make sure the there is not a clash, > >> > >>not > >> > >>>just in the exact dates, but allowing a few days in between (if they are > >>>hosted in different places of the world) to allow traveling among them, > >>>which has not been the case up to now all the time. > >>> > >>>Regards, > >>>Jordi > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>De: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx> > >>>>Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> > >>>>Fecha: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:41:48 -0500 > >>>>Para: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > >>>>Asunto: Proposed 2008 - 2010 IETF Meeting dates > >>>> > >>>>The IETF is proposing dates for its meetings being held 2008 through > >>>>2010. 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