> You have totally confused ESRO with EMSD. > > RFC-2188 is different from RFC-2524. I stand corrected. > Tony gets it: > > Tony> The point is that the past IESG practice which has driven out those who > Tony> would submit individual submissions, resulting in the current ratios, MUST > Tony> NOT become the guide for what SHOULD happen going forward. The RFC editor > Tony> role needs to be extricated from the overbearing IESG and returned to its > Tony> independent role. Doing otherwise further fragments the community which will > Tony> only lead to its downfall. I strongly disagree with Tony that the IESG has been overbearing. >From my perspective IESG has been too permissive. But perhaps this is beside the point. I believe that we need to have high standards for RFC publication - not just for working group documents or standards track documents but for all documents that are labeled RFCs. In order for that to happen, _someone_ has to do a thorough technical review of those documents, and that _someone_ has to be willing and empowered to reject documents that don't cut it. There are advantages to having IESG do that review (e.g. uniformity, lower cost) and advantages to having another party do that review (e.g. spreading the workload). I don't have a strong opinion about who does the review of non-standards-track, non-working-group documents, as long as the review is done and the document series is held to high standards. I will however caution against the assumption that IESG is inherently overbearing and a separate review function is inherently more reasonable. No matter who does the review there will always be the potential for capriciousness on the part of the reviewer. Similarly, no matter who does the review there will always be those who will insist that IETF lend its imprimatur to their flaky designs or poorly written documents, and who will consume valuable resources trying to degrade the RFC series. IMHO, it is vitally important that we avoid wasting either volunteer energy or money on such foolishness. Keith _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf