Bert, David asked the IESG to consider a PR-action ("posting rights" action) against Dean. Posting rights actions are governed by RFC 3683. I agree that 3683 is used to apply drastic measures, but unfortunately those are the measures the AD saw as appropriate for Dean's supposed infractions. Even the RFC refers to applicable cases as "serious situations", but again it was the AD who thought it fair to levy the harshest sentence at our disposal against Dean. It's judgment calls like that which make everything circumspect to me. nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@xxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:01 AM > To: Steven M. Bellovin; dcrocker@xxxxxxxx > Cc: nick.staff@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'IESG'; ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: [dean@xxxxxxx: Mismanagement of the DNSOP list] > > Steve writes: > > > Actually, 3683 specifically requires community discussion > of motions > > to block someone's posting rights. It is, in so many > words, done by a > > Last Call. > > > > Steve, I thought that RFC3683 is intended to apply "drastic measures" > (see intro, page 4). > RFC2418 allows a WG chair and the ADs to also take measures > if someone is disrupting WG progress (sect 3.2). > > I certainly hope that we do not have to have the equivalent > of an "IETF Last Call" everytime that a WG chair or AD finds > that an individual is disrupting normal WG process. > > Bert > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf