It would seem we will all be in violation of Canadian law (as will the IETF as an organization) when we convene for IETF 64. Those canucks apparently regulate the term "Engineer" and the use of Software, Network, or Systems Engineer is um apparently not allowed. I wonder if they'll put Dave Crocker and Dean Anderson in the same cell... ;) Here's a link to the Microsoft court loss for the use of Engineer in their MCSE certification http://www.peo.on.ca/enforcement/Quebec_MS_April2004.pdf Please don't take this too seriously and call me an idiot, this is of course said with a chuckle. Nick _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf