That was one of the very best reasons for the bake-offs: you got to eat
your own dog food! There is nothing like trying to get your own software
(and hardware) to work! It tends to show all the bad decisions that were
made during the development.
Chuck Wegrzyn
Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> Dave Singer wrote:
>
>> I hear the opposite complaint enough to believe that the truth lies
>> somewhere in between ("the ietf is dominated by academics who have no
>> idea what it takes to design, deploy, and maintain large complex
>> networks"). I only see a tiny portion of the ietf myself, agreed (I
>> doubt many people see much more as it is so large), but I don't see
>> reason to be excessively pejorative about the attendance I see. It's
>> mixed; academics, industrial engineers, writers, thinkers,
>> implementers, observers, dilettantes, all mixed in. Just like other
>> standards orgs.
>
>
> I think that's right. However, what may well be missing in the mix
> is input from people who actually deploy and operate our stuff, and
> live with its limitations and quirks every day. We need to understand
> the indirect consequences of our choices: not "can it be coded and will
> it interoperate?" but "will it drive service providers and users crazy?"
>
> Brian
>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 18:36 +0200 10/08/05, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>>
>>> I think that is a good point. A variation on that theme is that the
>>> IETF is no longer run by people who actually implement protocols. The
>>> relevance and impact of the IETF on what is actually used on the
>>> Internet is marginalized through that change of membership. The
>>> attitude of "That is not how we do things in the IETF" make people go
>>> away.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> C Wegrzyn <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>>>
>>>> I think a big part of the issue is that the IETF has been taken over
>>>> little by little by corporate interests. Before it used to be for the
>>>
>>>
>>> > "love of doing it". Today it is more for "the benefit of one".
>>
>>
>>
>>
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