Well, actually, there's one other point ...
IEEE 802 is meeting in Vancouver the week after IETF 64, so there will
be double-heading whether we ever try to hook up with NANOG (or the
moral equivalent of NANOG), and
I don't think I've EVER seen as many spouses at an IETF as I did last
week, and I KNOW I've never seen as many children at an IETF. I ran
into Dave and Susan Meyer at a Cafe BoF near the Eiffel Tower on
Friday afternoon, and I'm thinking the spouses aren't going to be
nearly the problem we thought previously...
So, I think doubling up would be a lot more fatal for delegates than
for spouses/family members. Aaron's family ditched us like a hot rock,
and Aaron put a note on the IETF list looking for people to go play
with wife and daughters this week, so I BET we can delegate this
problem and have it solved :-)
OK, make that a couple of other points. The other is from my rave in
Newtrk - we're making choices that are more attractive for standards
professionals and less attractive for development engineers, and then
wondering why we don't care as much about running code as we used to
(http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg36822.html).
I really like the idea of closer working relationships with NOGs (and
there are several to choose from, but that's another issue) - we need
to figure out how to do that effectively, without accidentally turning
IETF participantion into more of a full-time job for most people than
it is now...
Spencer
From: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
--On fredag, august 05, 2005 16:10:49 -0700 Ole Jacobsen
<ole@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Could this perhaps be an opportunity for the operations community
(read
NANOG) to work with the standards community (read IETF)?
Maybe they could even, gasp, meet jointly or nearby in
time/place...?
I know, I know, radical thinking but...
some of us have thought of the idea of a 10-day NANOG+IETF bash and
shuddered..... the delegates might like it, but their spouses might
not...
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