Could this perhaps be an opportunity for the operations community (read NANOG) to work with the standards community (read IETF)? Maybe they could even, gasp, meet jointly or nearby in time/place...? I know, I know, radical thinking but... Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Academic Research and Technology Initiatives, Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 GSM: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf