Re: "IETF servers aren't for testing"

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On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:

> Yes and not ... Real large scale deployment trials only started in
> 2001-2002, and it was already using production space. Then we had commercial
> deployment, at that time mainly in Asia Pacific and Europe.
>
> I will say that IPv6 experimental stage was over around 2002-2003, specially
> looking at vendors support. Of course, this always depend on "your own
> hands-on experience" ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
>
>
> > De: shogunx <shogunx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx>
> > Fecha: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:17:06 -0400 (EDT)
> > Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > CC: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
> > Asunto: Re: "IETF servers aren't for testing"
> >
> > On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Without entering in the discussion of anyone being right or wrong, I will
> >> like to ask that this thread, which I don't think will bring us to anything
> >> good, is discontinued unless we are going to talk about the real initial
> >> subject.
> >
> > I thought the experimental stage was concluded with the issuance of 2001::
> > addresses, marked "production," as opposed to 3ffe:: addresses, which were
> > for experimental 6bone "testing purposes.
> >
> > Thanks Jordi,
> > Scott
> >
> >>
> >> A discussion about IPv6 being experimental or not, could be productive in my
> >> opinion, but if we follow the appropriate behavior in the list.
> >>
> >> So far, if is a test or not using it at the IETF servers is a good example,
> >> but actually I think is clear that this will only happen once the contract
> >> with the organization holding the secretariat is fixed, as Brian suggested
> >> in the plenary. I'm sure the IAD will take in consideration our inputs on
> >> this for the new contract.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jordi, acting as "sergeant at arms"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> De: shogunx <shogunx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx>
> >>> Fecha: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:57:54 -0400 (EDT)
> >>> Para: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> CC: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@xxxxxxxxx>, IETF General Discussion
> >>> Mailing
> >>> List <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
> >>> Asunto: Re: "IETF servers aren't for testing"
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks for confirming that you have totally missed what the IASA process
> >>>> was all about.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for confirming that the IETF has become totally mired in
> >>> beuracratic waste.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This community has a number of people who wish to say how things need to be
> >>>> done - whether it is meeting location, IPv6 or cookies during the breaks -
> >>>
> >>> Re: ipv6... the goal is connectivity, not the source or methodology
> >>> of such.  a workable solution is present TODAY.
> >>>
> >>> Re: cookies during breaks... seems like i remember hearing you spout off
> >>> at a pleanary a few years ago that $50,000 or so was spent on cookies
> >>> because "I like cookies."  Good waste of funds that could be made
> >>> productive to suit your personal desires.  Where I am from we call that
> >>> abuse of power.
> >>>
> >>> Re: meeting locations... one can only light up minneapolis so many times.
> >>>
> >>> Harald, you are not the dictator of the IETF.  The community speaks for
> >>> itself, with or (hopefully) without you.  Jon Postel is laughing at you
> >>> from his grave.
> >>>
> >>>> while absolutely refusing to spend any thought cycles whatsoever trying to
> >>>> find out how this organization is actually put together,
> >>>
> >>> Hmm... IASA turns up exactly nothing of relavence on google, which in
> >>> effect makes its relavence to this discussion, or the IETF, exactly...
> >>> none.
> >>>
> >>>> who will have to
> >>>> make the decisions to implement their wishes, and who those people are
> >>>> accountable to.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have thoroughly confirmed that you are among that group.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> And you have confirmed your self serving attitute.  Go have yourself
> >>> another mocha frappe crappe latte with extra cookies and indulge in a few
> >>> more personal attacks on those of us actually trying to make progress
> >>> before the sun goes supernova.  You can't win on the technical argument so
> >>> you choose a completely irrelavent personal attack.  Love your hair, hope
> >>> you win, NEXT!
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>>>                         Harald
> >>>>
> >>>> --On lørdag, august 06, 2005 13:17:47 -0400 shogunx
> >>>> <shogunx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Once the IETF web services are operated under a contract with the IASA,
> >>>>>> and that contract contains text like "these servers must be reachable via
> >>>>>> IPv4", I think it is a very reasonable idea for the IETF Administrative
> >>>>>> Director to ask the company providing this service under contract what
> >>>>>> they would charge extra in order to change that line in their contract
> >>>>>> to "IPv4 and IPv6".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At the moment, remember, the IETF's webservers are provided by a company
> >>>>>> that is under no formal obligation to do anything requested by the IETF
> >>>>>> community;
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That is a fundamental imbalance in the order of things.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> they have chosen for reasons that seem good to them to continue
> >>>>>> not offering IPv6 access to the IETF servers, presumably because they
> >>>>>> think that some of the other things we have asked them to do take
> >>>>>> priority.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think IPv6 can wait until we have the formalities straight.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With all due respect, thats bu%^sh$t.  The IETF needs no outside provider
> >>>>> to provided the desired level of connectivity.  I have had redundant /48's
> >>>>> routed to my internal networks for almost 2 years, both 6bone addressing
> >>>>> and production addresses, and my upstream bandwidth providers haven't even
> >>>>> heard of v6.  Thurn on the tunnel and get it over with, sans the
> >>>>> beauracracy that is crippling this organization.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>                        Harald
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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