10-4 On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Yes and not ... Real large scale deployment trials only started in > 2001-2002, and it was already using production space. Then we had commercial > deployment, at that time mainly in Asia Pacific and Europe. > > I will say that IPv6 experimental stage was over around 2002-2003, specially > looking at vendors support. Of course, this always depend on "your own > hands-on experience" ;-) > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > > De: shogunx <shogunx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> > > Fecha: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:17:06 -0400 (EDT) > > Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > CC: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > > Asunto: Re: "IETF servers aren't for testing" > > > > On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Without entering in the discussion of anyone being right or wrong, I will > >> like to ask that this thread, which I don't think will bring us to anything > >> good, is discontinued unless we are going to talk about the real initial > >> subject. > > > > I thought the experimental stage was concluded with the issuance of 2001:: > > addresses, marked "production," as opposed to 3ffe:: addresses, which were > > for experimental 6bone "testing purposes. > > > > Thanks Jordi, > > Scott > > > >> > >> A discussion about IPv6 being experimental or not, could be productive in my > >> opinion, but if we follow the appropriate behavior in the list. > >> > >> So far, if is a test or not using it at the IETF servers is a good example, > >> but actually I think is clear that this will only happen once the contract > >> with the organization holding the secretariat is fixed, as Brian suggested > >> in the plenary. I'm sure the IAD will take in consideration our inputs on > >> this for the new contract. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Jordi, acting as "sergeant at arms" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> De: shogunx <shogunx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>> Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> > >>> Fecha: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:57:54 -0400 (EDT) > >>> Para: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>> CC: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@xxxxxxxxx>, IETF General Discussion > >>> Mailing > >>> List <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > >>> Asunto: Re: "IETF servers aren't for testing" > >>> > >>> On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > >>> > >>>> Thanks for confirming that you have totally missed what the IASA process > >>>> was all about. > >>> > >>> Thank you for confirming that the IETF has become totally mired in > >>> beuracratic waste. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> This community has a number of people who wish to say how things need to be > >>>> done - whether it is meeting location, IPv6 or cookies during the breaks - > >>> > >>> Re: ipv6... the goal is connectivity, not the source or methodology > >>> of such. a workable solution is present TODAY. > >>> > >>> Re: cookies during breaks... seems like i remember hearing you spout off > >>> at a pleanary a few years ago that $50,000 or so was spent on cookies > >>> because "I like cookies." Good waste of funds that could be made > >>> productive to suit your personal desires. Where I am from we call that > >>> abuse of power. > >>> > >>> Re: meeting locations... one can only light up minneapolis so many times. > >>> > >>> Harald, you are not the dictator of the IETF. The community speaks for > >>> itself, with or (hopefully) without you. Jon Postel is laughing at you > >>> from his grave. > >>> > >>>> while absolutely refusing to spend any thought cycles whatsoever trying to > >>>> find out how this organization is actually put together, > >>> > >>> Hmm... IASA turns up exactly nothing of relavence on google, which in > >>> effect makes its relavence to this discussion, or the IETF, exactly... > >>> none. > >>> > >>>> who will have to > >>>> make the decisions to implement their wishes, and who those people are > >>>> accountable to. > >>>> > >>>> You have thoroughly confirmed that you are among that group. > >>>> > >>> > >>> And you have confirmed your self serving attitute. Go have yourself > >>> another mocha frappe crappe latte with extra cookies and indulge in a few > >>> more personal attacks on those of us actually trying to make progress > >>> before the sun goes supernova. You can't win on the technical argument so > >>> you choose a completely irrelavent personal attack. Love your hair, hope > >>> you win, NEXT! > >>> > >>> Scott > >>> > >>>> Harald > >>>> > >>>> --On lørdag, august 06, 2005 13:17:47 -0400 shogunx > >>>> <shogunx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Once the IETF web services are operated under a contract with the IASA, > >>>>>> and that contract contains text like "these servers must be reachable via > >>>>>> IPv4", I think it is a very reasonable idea for the IETF Administrative > >>>>>> Director to ask the company providing this service under contract what > >>>>>> they would charge extra in order to change that line in their contract > >>>>>> to "IPv4 and IPv6". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At the moment, remember, the IETF's webservers are provided by a company > >>>>>> that is under no formal obligation to do anything requested by the IETF > >>>>>> community; > >>>>> > >>>>> That is a fundamental imbalance in the order of things. > >>>>> > >>>>>> they have chosen for reasons that seem good to them to continue > >>>>>> not offering IPv6 access to the IETF servers, presumably because they > >>>>>> think that some of the other things we have asked them to do take > >>>>>> priority. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think IPv6 can wait until we have the formalities straight. > >>>>> > >>>>> With all due respect, thats bu%^sh$t. The IETF needs no outside provider > >>>>> to provided the desired level of connectivity. I have had redundant /48's > >>>>> routed to my internal networks for almost 2 years, both 6bone addressing > >>>>> and production addresses, and my upstream bandwidth providers haven't even > >>>>> heard of v6. Thurn on the tunnel and get it over with, sans the > >>>>> beauracracy that is crippling this organization. > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Harald > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Ietf mailing list > >>>>>> Ietf@xxxxxxxx > >>>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> sleekfreak pirate broadcast > >>>>> http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Ietf mailing list > >>>>> Ietf@xxxxxxxx > >>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> sleekfreak pirate broadcast > >>> http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Ietf mailing list > >>> Ietf@xxxxxxxx > >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ietf mailing list > >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx > >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > >> > > > > sleekfreak pirate broadcast > > http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf mailing list > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf