Yes and not ... Real large scale deployment trials only started in 2001-2002, and it was already using production space. Then we had commercial deployment, at that time mainly in Asia Pacific and Europe. I will say that IPv6 experimental stage was over around 2002-2003, specially looking at vendors support. Of course, this always depend on "your own hands-on experience" ;-) Regards, Jordi > De: shogunx <shogunx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> > Fecha: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:17:06 -0400 (EDT) > Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > CC: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Asunto: Re: "IETF servers aren't for testing" > > On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Without entering in the discussion of anyone being right or wrong, I will >> like to ask that this thread, which I don't think will bring us to anything >> good, is discontinued unless we are going to talk about the real initial >> subject. > > I thought the experimental stage was concluded with the issuance of 2001:: > addresses, marked "production," as opposed to 3ffe:: addresses, which were > for experimental 6bone "testing purposes. > > Thanks Jordi, > Scott > >> >> A discussion about IPv6 being experimental or not, could be productive in my >> opinion, but if we follow the appropriate behavior in the list. >> >> So far, if is a test or not using it at the IETF servers is a good example, >> but actually I think is clear that this will only happen once the contract >> with the organization holding the secretariat is fixed, as Brian suggested >> in the plenary. I'm sure the IAD will take in consideration our inputs on >> this for the new contract. >> >> Regards, >> Jordi, acting as "sergeant at arms" >> >> >> >> >>> De: shogunx <shogunx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> >>> Fecha: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:57:54 -0400 (EDT) >>> Para: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> CC: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@xxxxxxxxx>, IETF General Discussion >>> Mailing >>> List <ietf@xxxxxxxx> >>> Asunto: Re: "IETF servers aren't for testing" >>> >>> On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for confirming that you have totally missed what the IASA process >>>> was all about. >>> >>> Thank you for confirming that the IETF has become totally mired in >>> beuracratic waste. >>> >>>> >>>> This community has a number of people who wish to say how things need to be >>>> done - whether it is meeting location, IPv6 or cookies during the breaks - >>> >>> Re: ipv6... the goal is connectivity, not the source or methodology >>> of such. a workable solution is present TODAY. >>> >>> Re: cookies during breaks... seems like i remember hearing you spout off >>> at a pleanary a few years ago that $50,000 or so was spent on cookies >>> because "I like cookies." Good waste of funds that could be made >>> productive to suit your personal desires. Where I am from we call that >>> abuse of power. >>> >>> Re: meeting locations... one can only light up minneapolis so many times. >>> >>> Harald, you are not the dictator of the IETF. The community speaks for >>> itself, with or (hopefully) without you. Jon Postel is laughing at you >>> from his grave. >>> >>>> while absolutely refusing to spend any thought cycles whatsoever trying to >>>> find out how this organization is actually put together, >>> >>> Hmm... IASA turns up exactly nothing of relavence on google, which in >>> effect makes its relavence to this discussion, or the IETF, exactly... >>> none. >>> >>>> who will have to >>>> make the decisions to implement their wishes, and who those people are >>>> accountable to. >>>> >>>> You have thoroughly confirmed that you are among that group. >>>> >>> >>> And you have confirmed your self serving attitute. Go have yourself >>> another mocha frappe crappe latte with extra cookies and indulge in a few >>> more personal attacks on those of us actually trying to make progress >>> before the sun goes supernova. You can't win on the technical argument so >>> you choose a completely irrelavent personal attack. Love your hair, hope >>> you win, NEXT! >>> >>> Scott >>> >>>> Harald >>>> >>>> --On lørdag, august 06, 2005 13:17:47 -0400 shogunx >>>> <shogunx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Once the IETF web services are operated under a contract with the IASA, >>>>>> and that contract contains text like "these servers must be reachable via >>>>>> IPv4", I think it is a very reasonable idea for the IETF Administrative >>>>>> Director to ask the company providing this service under contract what >>>>>> they would charge extra in order to change that line in their contract >>>>>> to "IPv4 and IPv6". >>>>>> >>>>>> At the moment, remember, the IETF's webservers are provided by a company >>>>>> that is under no formal obligation to do anything requested by the IETF >>>>>> community; >>>>> >>>>> That is a fundamental imbalance in the order of things. >>>>> >>>>>> they have chosen for reasons that seem good to them to continue >>>>>> not offering IPv6 access to the IETF servers, presumably because they >>>>>> think that some of the other things we have asked them to do take >>>>>> priority. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think IPv6 can wait until we have the formalities straight. >>>>> >>>>> With all due respect, thats bu%^sh$t. The IETF needs no outside provider >>>>> to provided the desired level of connectivity. I have had redundant /48's >>>>> routed to my internal networks for almost 2 years, both 6bone addressing >>>>> and production addresses, and my upstream bandwidth providers haven't even >>>>> heard of v6. Thurn on the tunnel and get it over with, sans the >>>>> beauracracy that is crippling this organization. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Harald >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Ietf mailing list >>>>>> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >>>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> sleekfreak pirate broadcast >>>>> http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ietf mailing list >>>>> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> sleekfreak pirate broadcast >>> http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ietf mailing list >>> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> > > sleekfreak pirate broadcast > http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf