--On Friday, 15 July, 2005 10:35 +0200 Brian E Carpenter <brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... > Whereas the narrative minutes would say > "The IESG discussed the Foobar WG and agreed with the AD's > proposal to continue with the current WG chair." Brian, As part of the experiment, and in consultation with counsel if needed, I would hope that the narrative minutes would push that a bit harder, e.g., to "The IESG discussed management issues with the Foobar WG and agreed with the AD's proposal to monitor the situation more intensely and continue with the current WG chair." Without getting into the personnel-related reasons for the decision, that signals to the community that the AD, and the IESG, are aware that there is a problem and plan to take some additional measures to cope with it. We need, I think, to know that much; we don't need to know the details of why a different course was not chosen. Of course, at the risk of conflating threads, I would hope that, any time a "X is lousy but there is no possible replacement" situation arises, the cognizant body would ask itself and, to the extent feasible, the relevant community, the meta question of whether it is appropriate to continue the work if leadership depth and interest is that shallow. The answer to that question may often be "yes" but it seems, IMO, that it is important that it be asked. It is precisely because the above concerns can be raised and examined in this context --and cannot in the context of decision-record minutes-- that causes me to think this experiment is a wonderful idea. I thank you and your IESG colleagues for being willing to propose and consider it. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf