> Organizations rarely improve by having vague comments about abuse of power > tossed around. If you are looking to improve the process I suggest that > you raise specific objections to specific actions. Sam, 1. Apparently you missed the extended, public exchanges about these issues, over the last 3 years. I am not suggesting anything new or different, merely observing that we have done not one thing to attend to them. 2. The pressures against citing specifics is extreme. And the IESG/IAB get predictably defensive. Those who take their specific concerns public are roundly punished. And, yes, that's another vague claim. However note that you chose to issue a public dismissal about my "vague language" rather than actually pursue the matter through a constructive channel. (No one who has watched the IETF list for any amount of time would seriously suggest that this is a reasonable forum for pursuing such details.) > I realize that sometimes your concern is not individual actions but a > concern about a trend or a perception of a trend. In such cases I've > found that collecting examples together and pointing out that each example > taken individually is fine but that the trend is problematic. We had an entire working group that expressed these concerns. How quickly we forget. d/ --- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking +1.408.246.8253 dcrocker a t ... WE'VE MOVED to: www.bbiw.net _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
