>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Crocker <dhc2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Dave> Brian, >> Er, yes, I think it's known as collective responsibility in >> some circles. Dave> When it is used well, yes. Dave> When it is used to reflect the personal preferences of the Dave> AD -- no matter the history of the working group -- then it Dave> is known as something else, and it happens with some Dave> regularity. Organizations rarely improve by having vague comments about abuse of power tossed around. If you are looking to improve the process I suggest that you raise specific objections to specific actions. Even if the community disagrees with you then you will build up a documented case history which can be used to either prove or refute your point. I realize that sometimes your concern is not individual actions but a concern about a trend or a perception of a trend. In such cases I've found that collecting examples together and pointing out that each example taken individually is fine but that the trend is problematic. But seriously these vague comments do no one any good. They don't allow the people you believe have made a mistake to evaluate their actions. They don't help the organization as a whole. They spread FUD and create friction without any of the positive benefits of real introspection or process engineering. --Sam _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf